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Help me understand why one needs to upgrade to a 70-75mm TB?

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BooWFO

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Seraphitia102 said:
when you guys are talking 5-15hp increase, blah blah... do you mean adding a throttle body in conjunction with an aftermarket plenum?
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5-15 with a combo N/A is fairly common.
Lots of Forced induction People have seen 15 with just a TB.

As for the bullitt intake that is a whole nother topic.
 

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5spd GT said:
I would believe what you would have to say.

I meant, how much cfm does it increase, with let's say 8lbs of boost over a 281's capability at 100% VE.
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An eaton m112 spun to 14k rpm will flow somewhere around 850 cfm on the inlet side, a Vortech s-trim can flow 1000cfm.
 

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That's what I was looking for...so a 75mm TB might be worthwhile on a blown combo, where as the stock will not.

A stock tb will flow plenty for a non-pi or pi headed car. I was just wondering why some get the "big" tb's for n/a cars when the stock flows enough and the "big" tb flows over double.

Does anyone have a dyno result of a tb swap on a stock or practically stock car on back to back dyno runs. Same day and relative time?

Jason - Did you ever sell the heads/springs/cams?

Oh and on the cfm "stuff"...I was wanting to compare 486 cfm ( 281 cubic inches at 6,000 rpm at 100% VE)...and what would an S-trim for example putting out X amount of boost do to one at 100% VE. I figured there might be a formula of sorts somewhere.

If the S-trim can flow 1000 cfm, I'm sure a 75mm TB would be almost enough to warrant buying one.

I see the throttle acting different, but as far as power, I just don't see power being gained. The throttle might feel different, but don't mean you gained hp/tq. N/A is what I'm referring to.
 

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m0dular depot has a link right off the main page comparing a bunch of aftermarket plenum/tb combo's with an N/A car with dyno results. The Accufabv combo netted the most gains out of the ones they tested.. hence why most people go with them around here.
 

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Well I wasn't meaning just Accufab. Just that the aftermarket tb's for an n/a car flow much more than the engine can even use. Thus, the reason for the question...

Oh, and guys/gals...I'm not getting a throttle body. I was just asking a question I wasn't even thinking about it...
 

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5spd GT said:
Well I wasn't meaning just Accufab. Just that the aftermarket tb's for an n/a car flow much more than the engine can even use. Thus, the reason for the question...

Oh, and guys/gals...I'm not getting a throttle body. I was just asking a question I wasn't even thinking about it...
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It is better to have a little more than you need. Too much more though and you start lose velocity of the air charge, so you can't just slap on a 90mm throttle body.
 

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5spd GT said:
Jason - Did you ever sell the heads/springs/cams?
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Well.. I'm going to use my cams/springs.. but the heads are still sitting around
 

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jstreet - Velocity is effected at partial throttle, but not at full throttle. The 75mm TB flows a lot more than just "a little more than you need"...

That sucks Jason...if I had some extra money...:s
 
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