Help with codes!!!!!!

[gooch06]

I have a 1990 LX 5.0. My problem is I can't get my fuel pump to run unless I ground Beigew/lt.green stripe. So I ran a self test and I'm getting codes 15, 22, 85, 87. What do they mean and how do I fix them? Also can the computer be bad?

 

[stang22]

Here ya go...

http://www.corral.net/eec/

85 is the for the purge canister. Do you still have it hooked up? If you don't, don't worry about it.

jrichker will post his checklist soon, not to worry.


CODE: 15 (KOEO) - ROM Test Failure
Engine: 5.0L
Year: 86-93
Description:
EEC processor Read Only Memory (ROM) test failed

CODE: 22 (KOEO) - MAP/BP out of Self-Test range
Engine: 5.0L
Year: 86-93
Description:
MAP/BP out of Self-Test range

CODE: 87 (KOEO) - Fuel pump primary circuit failure
Engine: 5.0L
Year: 86-93
Description:
Fuel pump primary circuit failure

CODE: 85 (KOEO) - CANP Circuit Failure
Engine: 5.0L
Year: 86-93
Description:
Canister Purge (CANP) circuit failure

 

[jrichker]

Code 15 - No Keep Alive Memory power to PCM pin 1 or bad PCM (Memory Test Failure). The voltage to the Keep Alive Memory (KAM) is missing (wiring problem) or the KAM is bad. The KAM holds all of the settings that the computer "learns" as it operates and all the stored error codes that are generated as a result of something malfunctioning while the engine is running. Use a voltmeter to check the voltage to the pin 1 on the computer - you should always have 12 volts. No constant 12 volts = bad wiring. If you do always have the 12 volts, then the KAM is bad and the computer is faulty.

Before replacing the computer, remove the battery ground cable for about 20 minutes. This will clear all the codes. Retest after several days of running. If the 15 code is gone, then don't worry about it. If it is still there, then you get to do some troubleshooting.

Wiring diagrams for the proper model years are next…

For 86 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167158.gif

For 87 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8016715e.gif

For 88 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80167162.gif

For 89-90 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d8019595f.gif

For 91-93 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195960.gif

Code 22 MAP (vacuum) or BARO signal out of range. The MAP or BARO sensor is pretty much the same sensor for both Mass Air & Speed Density cars. The main difference is where it is connected. Mass Air cars vent it to the atmosphere, while Speed Density cars connect it to the intake manifold vacuum. Its purpose is to help set a baseline for the air/fuel mixture and changes in barometric pressure. The MAP or BAP sensor puts out a 5 volt square wave that changes frequency with variations in atmospheric pressure. The base is 154 HZ at 29.92" of mercury - dry sunny day at sea level, about 68-72 degrees. You need an oscilloscope or frequency meter to measure it.

Baro or MAP test using frequency meter - run the test key on engine off. The noise from the ignition system will likely upset the frequency meter. I used a 10 x oscilloscope probe connected from the frequency meter to the MAP/BAP to reduce the jitter in the meter's readout.

If it is defective, your air/fuel ratio will be off and the car’s performance & emissions will suffer

Code 85 - CANP solenoid - The Carbon Canister solenoid is inoperative. Check vacuum lines for leaks and cracks. Check electrical wiring for loose connections, damaged wiring and insulation. Check solenoid valve operation by grounding the gray/yellow wire to the solenoid and blowing through it.
The computer provides the ground for the solenoid. The red wire to the solenoid is always energized any time the ignition switch is in the run position.

Code 87 – fuel pump primary circuit failure. The fuel pump lost power while the engine was running. Check fuel pump relay, check inertia switch, wiring to/from inertia switch, red wire going to inertia switch for +12volts. Check the other side of inertia switch for +12 volts.

To help troubleshoot the 87 code, follow this link for a wiring diagram for 89-93 cars [urlhttp://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp [/url]

For 79-88 cars use, http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp

 

[gooch06]

I can't get my car to run because I can't get the fuel pump to run!

 

[stang22]

I can't get my car to run because I can't get the fuel pump to run!

Follow Joe's instructions... I promise you it won't fix itself.

Code 87 – fuel pump primary circuit failure. The fuel pump lost power while the engine was running. Check fuel pump relay, check inertia switch, wiring to/from inertia switch, red wire going to inertia switch for +12volts. Check the other side of inertia switch for +12 volts.

To help troubleshoot the 87 code, follow this link for a wiring diagram for 89-93 cars http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB...us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp

 

[gooch06]

Checked all the wiring to and from FP relay. By the way new Fuel pump, FP relay, and FP relay connector. The only way to get it to work is to ground the beige w/lt.green stripe

 

[stang22]

Do you have 12volts on both sides of the inertia switch?

 

[HISSIN50]

Tim, for more info check out his other threads. He says he has what he needs at the FP relay, sans ground from the puter to the FP relay coil. I had mentioned for him to get ahold of one of the wisemen in here (Joe, Tom, et al) because I *thought* there was a ground strap in the puter which (if having gone south) would keep the ground pulse to the FP relay from happening.

He can get it to run fine if he manually grounds the ground control wire from the puter to the FP relay. (Gooch, does this sound accurate?)

 

[jrichker]

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Use a voltmeter to measure the voltage drop across them. There should be less than .75 volt drop across a fuse link.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch (red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay). No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector (one I haven’t found) under the dash somewhere, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.
Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

If and only if you have followed the test procedure to this point and still haven’t found the problem, the computer is suspect.

 

[gooch06]

Tim, for more info check out his other threads. He says he has what he needs at the FP relay, sans ground from the puter to the FP relay coil. I had mentioned for him to get ahold of one of the wisemen in here (Joe, Tom, et al) because I *thought* there was a ground strap in the puter which (if having gone south) would keep the ground pulse to the FP relay from happening.

He can get it to run fine if he manually grounds the ground control wire from the puter to the FP relay. (Gooch, does this sound accurate?)

That is right. I know the EEC Relay is ok because I hear it click.

 

[gooch06]

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off.


I can't get it to come on when I turn on key.