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wshI_hd_1

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After waiting 5 months to put my motor in after a rebuild last night was finally it. Got everything in and all connections made, go to start her up and....nothing. Try it again and it acts like it wants to but wont. so we check to see if its getting spark or not...NOPE!!! The promblem is i have no idea why. havent changed any of the electrical and only thing new during the build was a cam and some gauges, so why wouldnt i get anything? By the way we checked the coil to, and didnt get nothing from it, also when it acts like it wants to start and doesnt, the oil pressure copper tube gets really hot but nothing else does. I dunno, maybe its elecrtical or somethin, but some one PLEASE help!

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did u attach the negative ground to the chassis somewhere? also did u prime the system too? i know u need to prime the oil through the distributor shaft hole and another thing to remember is to prime the fuel since the fuel rails were open. i read in my chiltons that u need to turn the ACC on and hold for 5 secs and repeat 6 times. also, make sure your fuel pump clicks on!
 

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Re-check all your wiring maybe you missed something. Also you might have banged the ignition module ( that rectangular thing on the distribrutor) with the engine out, that happened to me when I rebuilt my heads drove me crazy trying to figure out what happened. Good luck
 

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Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Coil
B.) TFI module
C.) PIP sensor in distributor
D.) ECC relay next to computer
E.) Fuse links in wiring harness
F.) Ignition switch
G.) Computer

2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t ,then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe -& hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

4.) Spark & fuel OK.
A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order form the non HO engines.
 
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You are all so helpfull. Still diagnosing the problem, but at least I have a road map now. (The other guy who has been up for 36 hours working on this car)
 
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Any one want to come to Dallas, Ga and help??? I am at a loss. SO is Blk LX.
 
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Ok, Now it backfires through the intake real bad, But my timing light says it is at TDC. It has a Comp cam that is advanced 14deg. But I have it retarded to 0deg. or TDC. After loosning the distributer bolt to try and adjust, I have found that the dist. is siezed inthere, It woun't turn. What do I do????
 
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I also tried to unplug the hanging timing plug on the side of the dist. It dosn't change anything either.
 
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Oh, yea, still will not start!!
 
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