How do I put a 03 cobra supercharger on my 04 gt??

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Ok my neighbor has a stock 03 cobra. I have a stock 04 gt. He is buying a kenne bell supercharger and I want to buy his stock eaton charger. He is selling me only the blower. I was wondering what all I needed to make this set up work on my car. I know I need a new intake manifold. What all do I need to make this work? And is this a smart Idea? Will this give me a good horsepower gain? What kind of numbers can I expect? Yeah I am kind of a dummy:shrug: so anything will help.
 
Cant' do it period. Search is your friend this is a common question.
For the price you'll get the blower plus all the custom fabbing you'd have to do in order to get it to work you could buy a KB built specifically for your car and have $$ left over probably.
 
What will you need? A lot of money for a bunch of parts! There are a LOT of additional parts required to make that blower work on your GT and unfortunately your neighbor will be keeping all those parts because they are also required for his KB upgrade. Just go buy a complete KB kit for your GT, it will be easier and cheaper in the long run.

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It's impractical to put a roots blower that isn't made to be fitted on a GT on, instead of a more efficient twin screw blower like KB.

Not if you've got the tools, skills and material in order to fabricate your own intake manifold. Especially when you consider the fact a used M112 can be had for under $500.....try finding a Twin Screw of any size for less than 3X that amount.

Besides....the M112 has already shown it will suport 500rwhp. Not many guys are even close to pushing their 2V twin screw kits to that levle, so hey...why not go for the Eaton.

....that is again of course as long as the first sentence in my above statement applies. And in this posters case...it doesn't sound likely. :D
 
Not if you've got the tools, skills and material in order to fabricate your own intake manifold. Especially when you consider the fact a used M112 can be had for under $500.....try finding a Twin Screw of any size for less than 3X that amount.

Besides....the M112 has already shown it will suport 500rwhp. Not many guys are even close to pushing their 2V twin screw kits to that levle, so hey...why not go for the Eaton.

....that is again of course as long as the first sentence in my above statement applies. And in this posters case...it doesn't sound likely. :D

Yes the M112 could support 500rwhp but at what boost level and efficiency ???

And for your information, there is no 2V kit using the M112, they all use the M90.

If people pay up to 3x more for a twin screw there must be a reason :D

You should just read more about real eaton-to-twin screw swapps and realize what is really going on (dyno charts, 1/4 mi numbers...). Some had eaton blower and think they're the best, I had one too... when I swapped the KB, it was a totally different car, a different world. Not something you'd feel with just a pulley swapp....

To answer your question: nobody has yet adapted a 03 cobra blower on a GT, it's just not worth it...
 
Yes the M112 could support 500rwhp but at what boost level and efficiency ???
What difference does it make....500hp is 500hp. Don't think that a comparably sized twin screw isn't running beyond it's rated efficiency range trying to support those power levels either. Yes, the Twin Screw blower will show measurably higher peek efficiency, but that's not to say the M112 won't perform well in comparison. If you want to get technical, the ACT's under vacuum and low boost levels are actually lower with the Eaton than they are with the Twin Screw. Why do you think Kenne Bell only shows ACT comparisons at 6psi and above? ;) That internal compression system may be great for reducing leak down, but it does have its draw backs. Heating the air charge at all times is one of them. Unless you're running a physically larger Twin Screw, or really pushing the two blowers to their limits, you're not going to notice a huge advantage from one to the other.


And for your information, there is no 2V kit using the M112, they all use the M90.
Really....damn. I hope nobody told Ford Racing this. They'd have to recall all of their FRPP kits to remove those silly M112's they cast into their manifolds and replace them with M90's so it won't screw up the accuracy of your statement. ;)

If people pay up to 3x more for a twin screw there must be a reason :D
Twin Screw are the superior form of Positive Displacement blower from a power making standpoint....there is no question, but in a custom application where bang for the buck is concerned all bets are off. Let me ask you...if your building a totally custom set up and your goal is making great power while still keeping the stock 2V bottom end together, are you really that much further ahead spending 3-times the price on a used twin screw blower (assuming you're able to even find a compressor unit on it's own) when the same results can be accomplish with a much less expensive Eaton?

You should just read more about real eaton-to-twin screw swapsp and realize what is really going on (dyno charts, 1/4 mi numbers...). Some had eaton blower and think they're the best, I had one too... when I swapped the KB, it was a totally different car, a different world. Not something you'd feel with just a pulley swapp....
Yeah, yeah.....back to the old KB argument. Gotta love KB's objective comparisons. Stacking up their kit, with a physically larger displacement Twin Screw compressor, dyno tested on race fuel with excessive amounts of timing on an ice cold engine.....and to top it off comparing boost figures (which are irrelevant when you consider the fact that the characteristics between both kits are completely different) to SAE Factory corrected numbers of the M112 on the '03-'04 Cobra's....it's certainly a fair comparison. :rlaugh:

Let's get one thing strait. I'm well aware that Eaton’s aren't "the best" supercharger available from a power making standpoint. But they're cheap, reliable, durable and on top of that their no where near as anemic as Kenne Bell propaganda makes them out to be. Kenne Bells number one goal is to push their product....that's what pays the bills! And they've shown on numerous occasions they're not above smack talking, or down playing a competitive companies product in order to do it. You can call it selling a superior product if you wish, but I see it more as creative (yet effective) sales tactics, with minimal regard for business ethics or accuracy, instead.

To answer your question: nobody has yet adapted a 03 cobra blower on a GT, it's just not worth it...
That's funny, because Ford though it was worthy enough to top off their breathing 4V engine situated in the Cobra. If anything, you'd want the larger blower on the engine more capable of moving the additional airflow, not the other way around. A couple of the Allen guys over on tccoa.com are seeing nearly 400rwhp and high-11's in a full weight, automatic, IRS equipped Thunderbirds with the use of the little GEN V M90 supercharger.....yet a more capable M112 isn't worth the effort? Something is flawed with your logic my friend and you need to straiten out your facts before you attempt to school me on the subject! The reason more aftermarket supercharger manufacturer weren't using M112's in their 2V kits wasn't because the effort "wasn't worth it". It was because the added cost, lesser availability and larger over all packaging associated with the M112 made the M90 a more feasible choice.
 
Why do I love my stock 8psi Eaton, let me count the ways....

How about 400+ RWTQ @ 2750RPM's! :D

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Not if you've got the tools, skills and material in order to fabricate your own intake manifold. Especially when you consider the fact a used M112 can be had for under $500.....try finding a Twin Screw of any size for less than 3X that amount.

Besides....the M112 has already shown it will suport 500rwhp. Not many guys are even close to pushing their 2V twin screw kits to that levle, so hey...why not go for the Eaton.

....that is again of course as long as the first sentence in my above statement applies. And in this posters case...it doesn't sound likely. :D

If it was that easy, we'd see more GT guys going this route. If someone has the skills to get this working, then big props to them. But the majority aren't able to pull that off nor can find anyone to help them.

And FWIW, the M112 suports 500rwhp on a 4V, not 2V.
 
^and thats pushing it. I wouldnt even call that "supports" . More like pushed to the edge.

Problem is that much above 8PSI the eatons just because heatpumps. And the other problem is that @ 8PSI a 2V isnt going to make huge power. Push the eaton to 10PSI and you will probably make a max of 420RWHP..but thats with a full bolton car. MAYBE. You try and go more than that and hello heat. And these motors dont like heat + alot of boost.

But yea GB the eaton WILL @ 8-10 PSI push the stock 2V shortblock to the edge of whats considered safe. But at the same time the blower is on the tip of its effeciency range and useful power. When you get a forged engine you wont gain much power at all...W/O porting it I dont even see you getting much over 450RWHP no matter what pulley you throw on there. Now if you throw on heads and cams, + 15-17PSI you would probablky make it to 500RWHP. But I would hate for my engine to be seeing the IAT2 temps that that setup would produce. JMO though, and I think thats what these guys mean by not worth it. You spend all that time making it work and when you upgrade the motor its instally outclassed. :shrug: