i have spark but the car doesnt even sputter

i just rebuild the motor from the block up. everything is put together but the car wont fire. it doesnt even sputter. i checked for spark and thats fine and strong. i checked timing. when the balancer says 12* the rotor points towards the #1 cylinder. is it possible i have the distributor in wrong? i mean should i turn the motor over till the balancer comes back around to 12 again then set it to cylinder 1? what else should i check. tps, maf, o2's, iac, and ignition wires are all hooked up. what else should i check for? when i set the timing both valves on the number 1 where closed so i figured that was the compression stroke, am i wrong? :shrug:
 
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Do you have injector pulsing? If you dont have any backfiring or loading up (or wet plugs), then it sounds like you are missing injector firing or have delivery issues.

Good luck.
 
luckythirteen13 said:
i can smell gas but ill have to check a plug after cranking it a few times to check the injectors

was i right about the timing with the valves shut?
Putting the distributor back in is fairly simple. Pull #1 sparkplug, put your finger in the sparkplug hole, crank the engine until you feel compression. Then line up the TDC mark on the balancer with the pointer on the engine block. Align the distributor rotor up with the #1 position marked on the cap, slide the distributor down into the block, (you may have to wiggle the rotor slightly to get the gear to engage) and then note where the rotor is pointing. If it still lines up with #1 position on the cap, install the clamp and bolt. If not, pull it out and turn 1 tooth forwards or backwards and try again. Put the #1 spark plug back in and tighten it down, put the clamp on the distributor, but don't tighten it too much, as you will have to move the distributor to set the timing. Note that if it doesn't align perfectly with #1 position, you can turn the distributor until it does. The only problem is that if you are too far one way or the other, you can't turn the distributor enough to get the 10-14 degree optimum timing range.

At this point hook up all the wires, get out the timing light and start the engine. Set the timing where your car runs best. Don't forget to disconnect the SPOUT jumper connector when you set the timing, and plug it back in when you finish.
 
luckythirteen13 said:
do i crank it with the electric starter or at the pulley with a braker bar? i was told either way works but which is better?
What ever is easier.I would use the starter since it takes less effort.
 
jrichker said:
Putting the distributor back in is fairly simple. Pull #1 sparkplug, put your finger in the sparkplug hole, crank the engine until you feel compression. Then line up the TDC mark on the balancer with the pointer on the engine block. Align the distributor rotor up with the #1 position marked on the cap, slide the distributor down into the block, (you may have to wiggle the rotor slightly to get the gear to engage) and then note where the rotor is pointing. If it still lines up with #1 position on the cap, install the clamp and bolt. If not, pull it out and turn 1 tooth forwards or backwards and try again. Put the #1 spark plug back in and tighten it down, put the clamp on the distributor, but don't tighten it too much, as you will have to move the distributor to set the timing. Note that if it doesn't align perfectly with #1 position, you can turn the distributor until it does. The only problem is that if you are too far one way or the other, you can't turn the distributor enough to get the 10-14 degree optimum timing range.

At this point hook up all the wires, get out the timing light and start the engine. Set the timing where your car runs best. Don't forget to disconnect the SPOUT jumper connector when you set the timing, and plug it back in when you finish.



follow this to a TEE, excelent advice. pretty much fool proff. having that fuel loading up is no good to new rings i think



also to turn the motor over by hand do it with the starter to get it close then get it perfect with a breaker bar.
 
shimmed? i have RR on afr heads. i set the rockers exactly the way i did last time when i put the heads in. even if the valves werent shutting i would expect some sort of boom or pop but maybe im wrong.
right now im waiting for my g/f to get out of school so we can get to work on it. i cant very well turn the key and stick my thumb over the #1 at the same time.
 
luckythirteen13 said:
shimmed? i have RR on afr heads. i set the rockers exactly the way i did last time when i put the heads in. even if the valves werent shutting i would expect some sort of boom or pop but maybe im wrong.
right now im waiting for my g/f to get out of school so we can get to work on it. i cant very well turn the key and stick my thumb over the #1 at the same time.
You mean your arms aren't that long? :D

I use remote starter switch I got from Advance Auto Parts. It keeps my wife from getting yelled at...
 
If the car is in neutral and the E-brake applied (block wheels and follow other safety precautions), one can touch the slide-on terminal on the starter solenoid to the battery-lug on the solenoid (the side with all the cable connections). If the key is turned on, the car will start (if it can). If the key is OFF, the ignition is disabled and the car wont start - it will crank though. This is a crude version of JR's remote starter switch......

Good luck.
 
i pulled the distributor out and spun the crank 360* and set the rotor pointed to #1. i went in and cranked it. it cranked a few times and made a small spudder and i let off the key and the engine stopped. i cranked it again and it went around a few times and start up. it was ruff with a fluxuating idle between 800 and 1400ish. after about 5 seconds the idle stayed at about 850. its still a little ruff and smells of gasoline horribly. is it because i cranked it so much yesterday? will letting it run clear all the extra gas out of the engine? there still is a funny sound. almost like some one is tapping his thumb on a tuberware container. its very soft. i think its my radiator knocking cause its not held in its just sitting there. i have no coolant in the engine so i cant take it for a drive. all the coolant that got all over the parts when my radiator blew is burning off the valve covers, headers and everything else that gets hot so there is a bit of smoke coming from the engine compartment that smells like burning coolant. i set all my rockers like i did before, 0 lash, 1 full turn. just to be safe, should i check compression? setting the rockers always makes me feel like i cant build an engine. its paranoia i know it but i cant help it :nonono:
\thanks guys
 
i put coolant in it. fired it up. same thing. funny thunking sound as it ran. it was really ruff. i could rev it a bit but nothing made it run better. after it idled for about 1 minute i tried to give it a bit of gas and it revd then died. now it wont start at all. wtf happened :shrug:

just like before it wont even sputter

when i say it runs ruff, the car shakes but the idle seems pretty smooth. there is this soft thunk thunk thunk sound but now it wont even fire or sputter
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor
E.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars


2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/article...c-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
what i dont understand is why did it run and then all of a sudden just die and now it wont start?

ok i have fuel pressure, the fuel pump turns on, the fuel injectors have 14v when the key is turned on, i have spark at the cylinders (i checked a couple just to be safe not just the #1), timing is around 12*

it ran.......with a funny sound a ruffle idle, but it did run. then it died and wont start again. im so confused