Well we all suck at driving compared to John Urist...hahaha!!what im learning from this thread is that i completely suck at driving, my explorer-motored gt runs 13.8@101 with a 1.06 60-ft. sounds like i need new tires and a driver-mod.
whole motor cost ~$700 though, thats with a tfs1 cam and the spring kit.
lol....didn't crack a valve cover, no....but he pretty much cracked a bolt everywhere else.....just look at that pile of parts. There was considerable effort and hours of stripping involved in running those times along with a pretty decent cost outlay.Brian, he never even cracked a valve cover. I'd say considering the outlay, to be running 12s, that's hard to beat. Also I don't think comfort and luxury were ever in question here.
I read it and that's fine....if you think you can find a complete trick flow top end kit cheap, you go right ahead. I see the heads, cam and intakes and even the roller rockers sold sporadically here and there, but not the supporting parts. Timing chain, pushrods, head bolts, gaskets, fuel pump, etc. Those things are all going to need to be sourced as well...which kinda puts a dent in the savings. You'll likely still end up spending $2,000 when all is said and done...even used. And then you still have labour to contend with.Gearbanger 101 are you reading AT ALL?!
I said used, so scratch your 3500 estimate, and this OP shows he has full exhaust, Cai and gears already.....
Not to step on anyones toes but there is no way that car will approach 120mph in the 1/4 mile with only a 125 shot of nitrous.Even adding 100 rwhp will not put that car at 120mph. I would say your mph should be in the 105-109 ish on a good tune and well setup(with the nitrous spraying), without nitrous your looking at 97 or so most likely.
I agree, 120mph is way off. Takes about 400rwhp to get 120mph, and my old 100 shot only produced somewhere in the 75rwhp range so i wouldn't think that 125 would be all that much more.
Did you actually read that article Nik? He barely squeaked into the 12's and put out plenty of cash and did away with all kinds of amenities to do it. Not to mention he had to run the car within and inch of it's life to do it.
Nothing about that read sounded simple.
No a/c, power steering, or smog equipment. No swaybar, removal of various front end bracketry (safety concern). Stripped interior components, etc.
Just look at what he stripped out of the car!?!
He then added an electric fan, battery relocation kit, aftermarket CAI with MAF meter, O/R mid pipe and dumped exhaust system, gear swap with drag wheels and tires, upper and lower control arms, etc.
Right there is not only a list of parts I would not consdider removing from "my" car, but over $3,000 worth of parts and labour just to do the deed.
Running 12's is possible with a stock-ish Fox body, but I wouldn't consider it easy, or cheap.
You guys are looking at extremes and saying that it can be done. Sure if I had a Fox as a project car with the sole purpose of running a 12 second 1/4 mile then I could strip it down to barely streetable and rip everything out of it and run a 12 second quart on a stock motor. But that also assumes I have a place to do all the stripping and to store all the parts along with the time and tools and know how to effectively accomplish this task and still make it track worthy. And EVEN then it will BARELY make it into the 12's, the motor will be shot to crap, and you're still gonna spend a decent amount of money. Unless you're a very experienced mechanic with a welder, mandrel bender, a lift, power tools, extra time to spare, a few friends to help, etc, etc.
For the kid who is the OP, this is not the case. And for most of the members on this board, this is not the case. Most people are using their car as their DD or maybe a weekend hotrod. Most don't wanna (or can't) give up heat, A/C, power steering, a sound system, door panels, head lights, etc. So in the average, everyday, enthusiast, DD car...then yes it will most definitely cost a bit of money to have a Fox in the 12s and be reliable and somewhat comfortable/streetable/track worthy at the same time.
1. Nobody in this hobby is both broke and skill-less. You don't get to be both and still play. So either let go of the budget argument or the cost of labor argument.
2. You make that car out to be a ticking time bomb, but IIRC he later put an enormous procharger on it and ran 10s. If it did that, 12s were a walk in the park.
3. 12.9 still counts as 12s. When guys in the new Coyotes are running 12.9s, nobody's pissing and moaning "barely".
4. With a calibrated meter you really can get away with a lot without a tune. My car is even an extreme example, and though I do want to tune ot to get the most out of it, I have a few thousand miles on the new motor, a handful of 1/4 mile passes, no tune,and no real significant issues.
FWIW, over the years I have built an entire suspension for my car, transmission, brakes, engine, rear end, etc etc. No welder, no bender, no lift, and a lot of that was done in a 1 car garage. In fact, I rebuilt the rear end and put 3.73s in it literally on a kitchen table. If you guys think what Sharad did to his car was a lot of work, you're crazy.
My bad if I seemed like I was making his car out to be a bomb. Not saying his (or anyone's) car is a bomb. I'm just saying that sometimes people are only interested in running a specific time on a budget and so they don't waste money on certain items. I'm saying that in the case of Sharad, this wasn't his everyday car. There was a specific purpose for that car. The OP (and the majority of others) is in a different boat. Can a Fox run 12s on a stock engine? Sure. For less than $2,000? Sure, if you can do most of the labor and strip a lot of stuff out. Can it do so for less than $2,000 on a stock engine and get you to and from school or work and around town reliably and somewhat comfortably? Well that depends on what your idea of reliability and comfort is. And IMO, I'd say no it can't (as far as my idea of reliability and comfort is concerned)...not for less than $2,000.
what im learning from this thread is that i completely suck at driving, my explorer-motored gt runs 13.8@101 with a 2.06 60-ft. sounds like i need new tires and a driver-mod.
whole motor cost ~$700 though, thats with a tfs1 cam and the spring kit.
lol....didn't crack a valve cover, no....but he pretty much cracked a bolt everywhere else.....just look at that pile of parts. There was considerable effort and hours of stripping involved in running those times along with a pretty decent cost outlay.
Didn't say it wasn't possible, but not exactly commonplace or practical for most people to strip their car, just to make a 12-second pass down the track.
If making a fox run in the 12s was easy, inexpensive, and could still retain it's streetworthiness...then why are there soo many mid to high 14 sec Foxes out there? In fact, the only people I've seen run in the 12's are those who did spend either a lot of time or money or both on their cars.
But it's funny how I never run into any of these cars when I'm dd'ing my low 14 high 13 sec 03 GT. It's funny how it's very rare that I get taken out from a light or a roll.
Maybe your idea of a lot of time or a lot of money is different than mine. But if someone tells me they can take a bone stock Fox and spend less than $2,000 and run in the 12's while retaining streetworthiness...ok sure, yea. A Fox that already has bolt-ons...maybe.
No that wasn't what I was saying. I'm not bragging by any means. I only mentioned the times I run because I don't feel like I have to lie or exaggerate about what I or my car can do. What I'm saying is that I hear about fast cars in my area all the time. Every time I talk to someone about their Mustang or Camaro I'm hearing about how much faster their cars are. I hear people saying "oh don't race that car, his car is easily a 12 sec car"...I hear this constantly. I'm not talking about people who have actually ran 12s, I'm talking about people who talk about how they have 12 sec cars even tho they never ran the times they claim.Hahaha Uh Oh wow so your 03 gt is one of the fastest cars in your area? Congrats..
Ask them how they know its a 12 sec car when its never been run. Id love to hear the responses.I hear people saying "oh don't race that car, his car is easily a 12 sec car"...I hear this constantly. I'm not talking about people who have actually ran 12s, I'm talking about people who talk about how they have 12 sec cars even tho they never ran the times they claim.
Sharad, how much did you spend on the tires, rims, parachute, and the roll cage? I'm assuming you did all the install work. And while it is a fact that we all have at least a small amount of money and skills, most of us cannot or do not posses enough of either to do most of our own work. Hence all the "help, I installed x and now my car won't start" threads.
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Now I'm not saying that you're like that...far from it. You sound like a legit guy to me. But I'm always skeptical...unless I've seen it in person. Again, if it were as easy as everyone makes it sounds then there should be no excuse not to have a 12 sec car. Maybe your idea of a lot of time or a lot of money is different than mine. But if someone tells me they can take a bone stock Fox and spend less than $2,000 and run in the 12's while retaining streetworthiness...ok sure, yea. A Fox that already has bolt-ons...maybe.
I'm probably coming off like a jackass...and I'm sorry if I am.
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