Idle Problems

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On my 2002 Mustang GT the idle won't sit down, when I rev it or come to a stop the idle sits where it is for a second and then comes down SOME, but....not all the way, you have to either put the car under load like in a gear and move a little bit or let the car sit for a second for it to sit down. Here's what I've done so far

Replaced IAC - 1 year ago
Replaced TPS - 2 months ago
Cleaned the Throttle Body today and the mass air flow. Any more info yall need just let me know.
 
What RPM is it hanging at and what RPM does it sit at when it finally drops down?

It is normal for Mustangs 4.6L to drop revs slowly and hang at high idle until the car has been motionless for a few seconds. They're programmed that way from the factory.

There's a mod to make it lose RPMs faster if it really bugs you - drilling out a bypass hole I believe. A search may turn it up, or someone may pop in with the exact procedure. But, you need to figure out if it's normal behavior or if something is actually wrong before you go modifying anything.
 
oh and it hasn't done it like this before, it's acting up a little more, maybe I can put up a video or something of the rpms acting up. we've had weather in the high 20's and in the 30's in south Alabama, could that have something to do with it?
 
That does sound high, once it's warmed up a little it should hold around 900~1000 RPMs, maybe a little higher, and then drop to 650~750 RPMs.

You may want to check for possible vacuum leaks and do a search for IAC valve - there's been a ton of threads in the last few months on them.

I've noticed mine idling higher in the morning until it gets good and warmed up in this cold-ass weather we've been enjoying here in central Alabama so you may see if it starts acting normal once it warms up a few degrees. I'm looking forward to when we get back in the 40s!
 
How to troubleshoot IAC idle problems

Start first by cleaning the Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF). Use cleaner designed for it. The sensor is delicate and easily damaged.

Next look for any vacuum leaks. Even a small vacuum leak can cause drivability issues. Inspect all hoses (PCV, breather, evaporative purge). Look for cuts, chaffing, dry rot or any other defects that may allow air to enter. Also inspect all intake connections to be sure they are tight and leak free. Don’t forget the oil dip stick and valve covers.

There are two kinds of Idle Air Controllers (IAC). One has a black atmospheric vent. The other does not.

IAC with black vent: Usually seen on older Mustangs (2000 prior). The vent supplies bypass air to allow the motor to start. It contains a number of spring and diaphragms. The vent must internally close off when the engine is running.

Do not clean the black vent IAC. The cleaning will damage the internal diaphragms. Replace it. Autozone makes a lower cost non-Ford replacement that works well.

Non-vented IAC: these can be cleaned. Be advised, that cleaning may not fix the problem or it may only work for a short period of time.

The Mustang’s idle strategy relies on the idle air being supplied by the IAC. The throttle body butterfly valve is designed to allow only a very small (if any) air to pass. Resist the urge to adjust the TB set screw for low idle concerns. It may appear to work but when the weather gets cold, a high idle will result.

A bad IAC may cause a no start condition. Try cracking the throttle to see if the motor will start. If so, suspect bad IAC.

First functionality test of the IAC: Start and allow the motor to idle. Disconnect the IAC electrical connector. The RPM’s should drop (black vent) or the motor should die out right (non-vent).

If the idle does not drop as expected then:
• The IAC is bad or dirty.
• There is a vacuum leak downstream of the IAC.
• The evaporative purge value (VMV) is stuck open. This is allowing excess air to enter via the charcoal canister.
• The throttle body butterfly valve is allowing too much air to bypass.
• The throttle body linkage is loose or worn allowing air to enter.
• The Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) is loose, bad, or noisy (not giving good closed throttle indication).
• The electrical connection to the IAC is open or shorted. Inspect the wiring. Pay special attention on boosted/modified applications that often need to extend the IAC wiring.

If you have access to an ODB2 scanner, monitor the IAC duty cycle (percent). It should change as load on the motor changes. Turn on the AC and head lights. Verify the IAC duty cycle changes in response to changing load. Also monitor the TP-MODE PID and see if it reads "closed" when the throttle is actually closed.

The IAC handles a fair amount of air. Some engines have more vapors in the PCV system than others. Excessive blow-by can contribute to shorter life span of the IAC.

For intermittent high idle concerns, suspect a problem with the TPS and/or loose/worn throttle body linkage (aftermarket TB's).

The TPS sensor is NOT used the same way it was during the SPEED DENSITY strategy days. The Mass Air Flow (MAF) strategy uses the TPS mainly for closed throttle and WOT processing. Remember, the PCM already knows how much air is passing through the butterfly valve because of the MAF sensor.

The PCM needs to know when the throttle is closed so that the idle trim strategy can be enabled.

The PCM needs to know when the throttle is at WOT so that the WOT tables/strategy can be enabled.

The bottom line is that the VALUE of TPS sensor is not as important as the stability of the value/position.

Please review the following excerpt from the Ford service CD.

Idle Speed Control Closed Throttle Determination.

One of the fundamental criteria for entering rpm control is an indication of closed throttle. Throttle mode is always calculated to the lowest learned throttle position (TP) voltage seen since engine start. This lowest learned value is called "ratch," since the software acts like a one-way ratch. The ratch value (voltage) is displayed as the TPREL PID. The ratch value is relearned after every engine start. Ratch will learn the lowest, steady TP voltage seen after the engine starts. In some cases, ratch can learn higher values of TP. The time to learn the higher values is significantly longer than the time to learn the lower values. The brakes must also be applied to learn the longer values.

All PCM functions are done using this ratch voltage, including idle speed control. The PCM goes into closed throttle mode when the TP voltage is at the ratch (TPREL PID) value. Increase in TP voltage, normally less than 0.05 volts, will put the PCM in part throttle mode. Throttle mode can be viewed by looking at the TP MODE PID. With the throttle closed, the PID must read C/T (closed throttle). Slightly corrupt values of ratch can prevent the PCM from entering closed throttle mode. An incorrect part throttle indication at idle will prevent entry into closed throttle rpm control, and could result in a high idle. Ratch can be corrupted by a throttle position sensor or circuit that "drops out" or is noisy, or by loose/worn throttle plates that close tight during a decel and spring back at a normal engine vacuum.