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V6WBlue05 said:

I talked to the fleet manager (sorry don't remember his name) but is said the price could be worked on.

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Gee, how nice of him.

Yeah, what a guy. I wonder if that price comes with a free jar of vaseline.....

I'll bet you could work them down to ONLY 30 or 40 over...

Hey V6WBlue05,

I saw a Black vert GT-500 in downtown PDX!! Look good, didn't sound much different than a GT in the low RPM's.

I got my 06' GT for $1500 (in April) over MSRP. The car broker I went through said the NW in general had a mark up of about $6k.

V6WBlue05 said:

They just got in a White with blue stripes GT500. They have an insane markup of 50k on it.

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Wait, it was marked up to $50k or it was the MSRP of $43k plus $50k?

When will Ford learn???
They pulled the same BS with the now dead (again) new T-Bird with it first came out. I had a salesman tell me that if I wanted one I needed to provide them with a $10,000 refundable deposit and that my name would be placed on a waiting list. When the car came in that corresponded to my number on the list I would be notified that my car was ready for delivery. If I didn't like the color or options on "my" car when it arrived, I would be given my deposit back. He tried to tell me that I couldn't order one to my specifications. His attitude was one of "take it or leave it." I'd never heard of such a thing. He was making the new T-Bird out to be such a big deal, I finally had to remind him that when you cut through all of the BS, it was still JUST A FORD!!!
Ford needs to do something to get their arms around their dealerships beyond the "Blue Oval" ad campaign.

Marine One said:

When will Ford learn???
They pulled the same BS with the now dead (again) new T-Bird with it first came out. I had a salesman tell me that if I wanted one I needed to provide them with a $10,000 refundable deposit and that my name would be placed on a waiting list. When the car came in that corresponded to my number on the list I would be notified that my car was ready for delivery. If I didn't like the color or options on "my" car when it arrived, I would be given my deposit back. He tried to tell me that I couldn't order one to my specifications. His attitude was one of "take it or leave it." I'd never heard of such a thing. He was making the new T-Bird out to be such a big deal, I finally had to remind him that when you cut through all of the BS, it was still JUST A FORD!!!
Ford needs to do something to get their arms around their dealerships beyond the "Blue Oval" ad campaign.

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Ford has nothing to do with this. Dealers are independent businesses. Ford tried to control this crap before but was stopped because it violated anti trust laws.

Sgt Beavis said:

Ford has nothing to do with this. Dealers are independent businesses. Ford tried to control this crap before but was stopped because it violated anti trust laws.

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I understand that the dealers are independent businesses, but that should only go so far, as they are still selling a manufaturer's (Ford) products. I think that the "Ford can't control the individual dealers" argument is a convenient way for Ford to stay out of their individual dealers' questionable operating practices.

If this practice were in violation of individual trust laws it doesn't explain how GM controls Saturn Division's pricing of new cars (or at least they used to).

When you get right down to it, this discussion is all about ethics, and the fact that they are, for the most part, nonexistent in the new car business. I've had car dealers deliver excellent service during & immediately after the sale, but in each instance it has been in connection with the purchase of a Japanese brand. My experience with two of the "big 3" (Chrysler & now Ford) has largely left me with an attitude of "you've got your car & we've got your money, now get the hell out."

Sgt Beavis said:

Ford has nothing to do with this. Dealers are independent businesses. Ford tried to control this crap before but was stopped because it violated anti trust laws.

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One of the reason's why Ford is so screwed up and is loosing billions of $$ is because it views it's dealers as their customers, not the people like you & me who actually buy and drive the cars.

Ford plays games with availability of models like the T-Bird and GT-500 to help the dealers charge top $$ for them. They view it as a gift to their loyal customers (the dealers) to help the dealers make a profit.

While Ford publicly says it doesn't want markups on GT-500s, Ford's actions create the exact opposite effect.

I hate to say this, but guys, we ARE living in a free market system in the U.S. still. Nothing has changed that I'm aware of. This is business; some practices are good, some are obviously bad.

I know it sucks that dealers are marking up cars. However, some dealers aren't marking up cars (at least not 50k) and they're getting the business. Competition and demand drives the market.

It is hilarious when things like this come along (the 50k markup); and it does pose issues to Ford. But this our system.

You people are paying more than MSRP on yer Mustangs? WTF?

Interesting article at this link:

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=24261

My dealer just has note on the window of their GT500's (1 coupe, 1 vert) that states "this vehicle is not selling for MSRP, the purchase price will be the current market value"

CBus 06 GT said:

My dealer just has note on the window of their GT500's (1 coupe, 1 vert) that states "this vehicle is not selling for MSRP, the purchase price will be the current market value"

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I hope he chokes on it.

Marine One said:

I hope he chokes on it.

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Bitter, party of one, your table is now available.

I can understand the mark-up on the GT500 because they know some jackass will pay the premium for a rare horse. But for an everyday GT? Whateva!

65up2d8 said:

Bitter, party of one, your table is now available.

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I'm not really bitter at all. I just think the whole thing is rather absurd and really dislike the whole new car buying process. Someone will inevitably buy that car for more than its worth because they must have one right now. A year or two later, their life and priorities will change, and they will probably end up trading or selling it for another type of vehicle. In that year or two, these cars won't be quite so special anymore, not at least where Edmonds & Kelly (of Blue Book fame) and the NADA Pocket Guide are concerned. So someone else will come along and get a sweet deal on this new-used "special car" because the original owner will have eaten the vast majority of the depreciation.

Take a minute and think about some of the cars introduced over the last generation that were sold at a premium when new because they were "special". The original Miata comes immediately to mind, as does the PT Cruiser, the new T-Bird & the Mini Cooper. There was even a waiting list for the Dodge Caravan/Plymouth Voyager when it came out! Ditto for the 86 Nissan Maxima.

At the end of the day they were just cars, and this "special" car is still just a Mustang. Don't get me wrong. It's a great car and in the right hands with the right care it probably has collector potential, which means that the owner must sacrifice the joy of driving it for the joy of just owning it to keep the odometer reading down (and what fun is that?), but it's still just a Ford Mustang. Half the reason that I'm on my third Mustang is because they are a great value for the buck. My first one was a 1995 GT Convertible, purchased from the original owner in 2000 with only 29,000 miles, for just over $13,000. I drove it for 3 years and sold it with 83,000 miles for $10,500. I replaced it with a 1996 Cobra Convertible with 35,000 miles for $16,000. I sold it when I took delivery of the 2007 GT with 82,000 miles on the clock. The original owner of the 96 Cobra paid almost exactly the same price for that car when new ten years ago that I paid for the 2007 GT last month. It was a great car but not worth over 30 grand in 1996 dollars. My point (if there is one) is that the great value of these cars goes rapidly out the window when you pay more for them than they are worth. If I were king for a day, all new cars would be sold with a no-haggle bottom line price up front. When I go into a retail establishment to purchase a computer, washer, lawn mower, television or just about any other durable good that you can think of there is no additonal dealer markup, documentation fees or haggling. Why should a car be any different? I was in my local delership for something the other day and was waiting in the showroom for the individual who I was there to see to meet me and I overheard an exchange between a salesman and a young Marine. This Marine was in there with his wife and small child and the salesman was using every tactic in the book to try to pressure this young man into buying a new vehicle. I got so pissed off that I had to go outside and wait because I knew that I would stick my nose where it didn't belong.