sorry for 3 posts in a row, but forgot this one, the rear end on the s197 has pissed off alot of people. from switching from a good working 4 link to a decent 3 link. and solid axle with a IRS option vs just solid axle.
several people swap the irs cobra rear into everything from foxbodys to new edge gts. some people like the IRS.
they both have their good areas. ford should of kept it 4 link and gave an option for irs.
my biggest thing is the damn wheel hop these cars have. replaced upper and lower control arms, and still every once ina blue moon it'll hop. especially in the rain. its not quite as violent as stock, where you feel you might get hit in the face with your dashboard as it gets ripped off from the earthquake like shutters you get.
if i had heavier wheels on the car i'm sure that'll help solve the problem, but it wasn't a problem for my bone stock 94 gt. yet i buy a brand new "muscle" car and i have to throw $400+ at the rear end to fix a problem that a car on with a chassis based in 1979 didn't have.
i don't quite understand the tokyo comments, i see that they are a pathetic attempt to relate what i am saying to tokyo drift, which is pretty stupid.
if japanese cars are such crap, why are american car makers trying to make their own version of these cars? i am not a big import fan, i've been raised on muscle cars all my life. its what i enjoy driving. but the imports did it right, 4 bangers with good fuel economy in a smaller car.
how are you going to throw out an american tragedy when we're just talking about cars. thats like me not ever buying a volkswagen,porsche, bmw, audi, etc, because of hitler. you want to get on the made in ____ card i bet half the sh¡t you own says made in tokyo or some other foreign land on it. sh¡t, you buy GM parts it says made in canada right on it, or australia or another foreign land. i know your going to throw out ford, and off hand, i can't think of what it says on their boxes and stuff because i don't get many ford parts at my work, but i bet you its not as 100% american as your probably thinking.
its unamerican to buy a car that is good on gas and pretty damn reliable? for quite a while america hasn't had much offering thats why every commercial you see on tv is check out the new 4,673 mpg ford fusion, or chevy volt or whatever it is on tv. we're playing catch up in sales, what was a hot american item up until recently? SUVs? how fuel effecient are SUVs, not very. how are gas prices? not bad now, but they had a time when they were at 4.00 + per gallon. on a vehicle that gets 17 high way and 12 city thats not a good vehicle to own during that time period.
and i know your going to say the videos bradley posted are stupid, cause you seem a pretty much set in your little 1/4 mile world. its fun for those 5-23 seconds.
but try cornering a little bit, and get the adrenaline going when you can feel the cars pretty much at the ends of its limits, where you are in the throttle seeing how long you can stay in it before you have to brake, and always try to brake late and get in the throttle early. its exciting. don't have to be doing 140 to get a good thrill.
i dig your awesome toyko comments though, trying to come up with nifty ways to insult people because you can't find a good way to back up your statements, as with your traction thread, and several other times you've been called out on things you've said.
american mussle forever eh? is that japanese?
got a friend who has a toyota that he beats the everloving piss out of. his 04 grand prix with less mileage is having a big problem while the toyota is still running strong. i've got 2 fords at my house on jackstands with blown motors, one paint is original and car isn't that old, but its completely rusting out. quality is number 1.
not to nit pick american companies since i work for one. but i don't have the high and mighty attitude about the companies, i know they all have their flaws. i look at them realistically. i am for american companies all the way, i've been raised ford lincoln mercury. but i'll respect anything that can hold its own.
hell. feel the leather in our cars and then go feel an infiniti with leather. then wonder what leather we paid for. imports have stepped it up quite a bit since 1945.
now i'm going to go watch that ken block video and think of what a pos it is.
what years your moms cougar? most recent years? the mazda/yamaha/mitsubishi bastard child? thats right, american companies are partners with japanese companies.
3000gt and dodge stealth? suzuki grand vitara and pontiac torrent? etc. way too many to list.
read the Road and Track from a couple months ago. Mustang vs Camaro vs Challenger. Mustang-solid rear axle. Camaro and Challenger-IRS. Every tester liked the Mustang the best. Because a solid rear is the best set-up ? No, because Ford has been building the Mustang for almost 50 years, they got it figured out.
No system is best for every scenario. I know the 3 link has it's drawbacks, but overall, for straight line, cornering, ride and maintenance, it's pretty close to being perfect.
This guy reminds me of Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino.
Just sayin'.
Ok, ok, I know, I already replied to him, but please, let's not feed the troll. This guy is just ridiculous. I sincerely hope he's really not as asinine as he's leading us all to believe, and he's only playing a late April Fools joke on us.
Guys like this guy tend to be lightning rods for arguments, and then lead to valued members receiving infractions or bans when we "slip" and pay them attention. Debating and trying to reason with people like him is a lost cause, my friend.
Ok, I love American Muscle and bought a Mustang because I love Mustangs (this is my 3rd one)
BUT.....a properly built import is nothing to laugh at and certainly not a POS.
They are as alike as a Mustang and a Ferrari (and I doubt that any real car lover here would call a Ferrari a POS). Different cars that are good at different things. I won't argue, just watch these vids and see what a POS a WRX is:
YouTube - Ken Block Gymkhana Training
YouTube - [0-60] Ken Block's snowboard/rally bit from DC's Mtn.Lab 1.5
read the Road and Track from a couple months ago. Mustang vs Camaro vs Challenger. Mustang-solid rear axle. Camaro and Challenger-IRS. Every tester liked the Mustang the best. Because a solid rear is the best set-up ? No, because Ford has been building the Mustang for almost 50 years, they got it figured out.
No system is best for every scenario. I know the 3 link has it's drawbacks, but overall, for straight line, cornering, ride and maintenance, it's pretty close to being perfect.
yeah for the price range. the irs would also add more weight. and these cars are already pretty heavy. although the S.S. Challenger. [S.S. in boat terms] and the big ass camaro are hefty too.
the mustang is so simple. its a platform for everyone to build off of. its cheap compared to the chrysler and gm opponents. so more money to modify. us ford guys always are willing to modify haha.
put a WRX and a S197 together and look at them. I mean,,,,COME ON ! Who wouldn't take the Mustang ?
How many body styles in history have that ability to take your breath away ? Ford GT40, Saleen S7, Ferrari 250 GT, Jaguar XKE, a few others.
How many of those can you buy for around $30K with a full factory warranty and still make you grin from ear to ear when you get on the gas ?
How many people will walk up to a guy in a Subaru and say; "wow, nice car". How many people have their head on a swivel when you go by them on a freeway, or give you a thumbs up ?
Subaru, nice car. I like the technical side of them, boxer engine, AWD, etc. Same with the Evo and others. But buddy, aint nuthin that looks like a Stang. An icon for almost 50 years. Been here while the Camaro, Cuda, Challenger, Charger, Road Runner and all the rest died, and either came back or tried to.
we LOVE to modify, the more money I have to spend on the car, the more willing I am. But car guys are car guys, Ford, Chevy, Mopar, Subaru, whatever. Most of us are brand loyal for one reason or another. But they're all good in the hands of a car guy (my wife is a self professed car guy, no sexism here). I love em all, just love Mustangs a little more.
btw your "all american" mustang has the majority of its components made in other countries, just saying calling a car American or Japanese does not mean much anymore.
OK.... I must chime in. Japanese cars ARE piles of ****. Does that make them slow? No, but they are tin cans wrapped around ****ty parts, period. Now as far as the WRX STi and all that, the Mustang has a greater potential for HP and performance than the Suburu... hell, than ANY Japanese car, not that the Subaru is slow and it WILL be faster offroad, but that doesn't make it a better car. The aftermarket for the Mustang is bigger than ALL of the import aftermarket put together. It is just hands down the best bang for your buck. My '09 Mustang Premium with the glass roof and hands free voice and all the gizmos was $32,000. I have about $8500 into it putting me at cresting the $40,000 range. Although that is a LOT of money, how many 600 HP (534 rwhp) imports do you see running around on pump gas, BRAND NEW with only 2500 miles on them for less than $40K? Plus, my car looks a HELL of a lo better than a Puparu.
Ignorance sure is bliss, isn't it?
So, Japanese cars are crap wrapped around tin. Yeah, that's why Lincoln outsells Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura, right?
Oh, wait, that's right. We're just getting started. So, a Mustang has better potential than any Japanese car, right? Yeah, the 4.6L block will hold 800 hp on a stock bottom end like a 2JZ-E out of a Supra TT, right? And let's not forget the Nissan GT-R, or even the previous Skyline engines.
Yes, and congratulations on showing your lack of maturity; "Puparu."Grow up, kid. And I'd hate to break your balls, but a Mustang modified to its max will never handle as well as an STi modified to its max.
You can go sit down now, but before you do, you wouldn't mind posting that "534 whp" dyno sheet for us, would you?
But here's what scares me the most. I looked up your profile and saw that you are in the Armed Forces in "Special Ops?" Don't take this the wrong way, as I appreciate the service of all our ladies and gentlemen who put their lives on the line to serve this country, but I strongly sympathize with those in your platoon who are forced to trust you with their lives. If they only knew...
Any moderators. I believe this to be a flagrant personal attack and I don't accept this kind of behavior on any forum. I request that a PM be sent with the regulations of the forum to TOP SPEED. Thank you.but I strongly sympathize with those in your platoon who are forced to trust you with their lives. If they only knew...
I honestly can't believe that you just said this. I am just stating an opinion. If you get your panties all in a bunch because of a simple post, then who is the kid? By the way, I am 36, a Master Sergeant in the Army and have led troops to victory without ANY deaths in my platoon in 19 different countries. What have you done? The point is, when you flame someone like me for my opinion of craptastic piece of shiet Japanese hulks of scrap-metal, then it makes YOU look like the idiot. Good job. And the last comment.... that makes me laugh. Are we gunna start "your momma" jokes too?
Maturity is the ability to accept other people opinions without trying to force your own or putting the other guy down. You fail at this.
I dont agree with cycosarges comment on the imports....... but, Topspeed I like you man, but what the hell was that comment about !! Being a Vet myself, I got to say I was completely offended by what you said brotha. This Master Sargeants views on automobiles has nothing to do with his role in the Armed Forces. Special Ops at that !!!
You have no Idea the hell over in the middle east and let me tell you one thing, you can bet your ass his men trust him to the fullest with their lives.....thats what you have to do !!! Apologize man, really...that aint cool and you were way out of line.
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