I'm giving up

ForceFed70 · Oct 17, 2008

I'm ditching the stock power steering pump.

I works great, but I can't get the damn thing to stop leaking.

I don't know what god you non-leaky pumpers have been worshiping, but it must not be mine. I've gone through 2 different pumps and 2 different sets of hoses. I've had everything apart on numerous occasions. Tried new seals...you name it.

I'm giving up on the stock pump. Don't even want to look at it anymore. I'm trying something else.

So what do you guys reccomend I replace it with? The rest of my power steering system has been freshly rebuild and looking mint, so I'm definately staying with PS.

I want 2 things in a new pump:
1) Has to be something that doesn't fricken leak. Or even been known to have a tendancy to leak.
-2) Prefer something thats going to be fairly easy to retrofit. Have welder, not afraid to use it... but I like easy.

ForceFed70 · Oct 17, 2008

Here's what I've got to work with. This is a pic from last year, but it'll give you a good idea.

65ShelbyClone · Oct 18, 2008

What about a Fox3 pump with a v-belt pulley? They get noisy after 150,000+mi, but the rack seems to blow out before the pump does.

ForceFed70 · Oct 18, 2008

65ShelbyClone said:
What about a Fox3 pump with a v-belt pulley? They get noisy after 150,000+mi, but the rack seems to blow out before the pump does.

Fox3? I'm guesing you mean fox chassis, but what does the 3 denote? Thanks

bmxace · Oct 18, 2008

been lurking for quite some time now, but thought I'd get more involved...so this is my first post.

How do people feel about aftermarket PS pumps such as KRC? KRC Online CatalogHow would this type of pump work on an otherwise stock setup? I know they have kits to adjust pressure, so I would think that it would be able to be dialed in to get a good feel.

Anybody have a KRC or other aftermarket pump that they have a good or bad experiene with?

Just an idea to address your leaky factory pump. I know the aftermarket pumps are a bit pricey, but if they work without leaking and they look SOOOO much better, it may be a viable option to you.

other_shoe · Oct 18, 2008

There is also the pump that TCP sells alongside their power rack. It may be the KRC pump, but I don't know.

Both of the above are pricey for me, but as I understand it the advantage is that you won't see a substantial increase in pressure or volume or whatever as the crank rotates faster. I like having the stock power steering in the parking garage, but once I hit 40 things get too loose.

I would imagine that the later Ford pumps might also do a better job of maintaining an even rate of flow than the late-60s cars, but I've never been able to confirm.

other_shoe · Oct 18, 2008

Beat me to it, bmxace. Welcome.

fvike · Oct 18, 2008

other_shoe said:
There is also the pump that TCP sells alongside their power rack. It may be the KRC pump, but I don't know.

It is the same. I have it, I love it and it rocks! You can also swap the flow valve on those to match the stock steeringbox gpm flow.

70vert · Oct 18, 2008

It is the KRC pump, and it's sweet

I had issues with my stock '70 pump and my Steeroids (GM rack) kit) - it always strained and sounded like it was sucking air when turning at low speed with 245 rubber up front. The KRC pump feels like buttah, comparatively, and works with no squawking. Pricey but worth it, IMO. I tried to go cheap at first but was glad I went with this in the end.

65ShelbyClone · Oct 18, 2008

ForceFed70 said:
Fox3? I'm guesing you mean fox chassis, but what does the 3 denote? Thanks

Yeah, Fox3 = 1979-1993, SN95 = '94-2004, S197 = 2005-2009, at least with regard to Mustangs. Naturally they shared chassis design over the years with other models like Fairmonts, Thunderbirds, and some Lincolns.

I don't know what the "3" represents, but I think it may be a design revision or stands for "third" generation Mustang. (I personally don't group the '71-73 Mustangs in with the '65-70s).

I was thinking of a Fox3 pump because many did have v-belts prior to the mid/late '80s. You likely need different or perhaps custom hydraulic hoses as well as the pump mounts from the later engine. I'm not sure what is necessary; I put a PS delete on my '68.

bnickel · Oct 18, 2008

65ShelbyClone said:
Yeah, Fox3 = 1979-1993, SN95 = '94-2004, S197 = 2005-2009, at least with regard to Mustangs. Naturally they shared chassis design over the years with other models like Fairmonts, Thunderbirds, and some Lincolns.

I don't know what the "3" represents, but I think it may be a design revision or stands for "third" generation Mustang. (I personally don't group the '71-73 Mustangs in with the '65-70s).

I was thinking of a Fox3 pump because many did have v-belts prior to the mid/late '80s. You likely need different or perhaps custom hydraulic hoses as well as the pump mounts from the later engine. I'm not sure what is necessary; I put a PS delete on my '68.

actually you have it wrong there. there's fox body and fox3/SN-95. i think they generally group the fox 3 cars as the 94-98 and the sn-95 as the 99-04 body style but the fox3 and sn-95 are basically interchangeable names for the 94-04 cars.

forcefed, here's an article i found on one of the bronco websites about upgrading to a GM style pump from a 70's model bronco or truck/lincoln/mustang II. if you can find one of those with a 351w it should bolt right up to what your engine, not sure how much clearance you'd have but it might be worth checking out.

Power Steering Pump Upgrades (1966-1977) | bronco.com

also Randalls Rack has a compact GM style pump that they sell from their racks but it should also work with your stock steering.

Power Steering Pump

somewhere i had found a conversion kit that someone was selling a kit that uses the regular GM pump (like the truck/lincoln/mustang II style) for early model conversions but i can't seem to find anywhere now. basically it included the pump, bracket and hoses. if i can find it again i'll let you know

bnickel · Oct 18, 2008

boom baby!!!!! i found it, or one like it and this one is actually a buttload cheaper too

https://www.tomsbroncoparts.com/product.php?category=32&id=194

65ShelbyClone · Oct 18, 2008

bnickel said:
actually you have it wrong there. there's fox body and fox3/SN-95. i think they generally group the fox 3 cars as the 94-98 and the sn-95 as the 99-04 body style but the fox3 and sn-95 are basically interchangeable names for the 94-04 cars.

Huh?

What does SN-95 mean exactly ? Well I'll tell you ! - BMC Forums - Black Mustang Club
Sn95?? - SVTPerformance

And as much as a I hate to use Wikipedia as a credible source.....
Ford Fox platform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fox3 and SN-95 chassis have similarities, but the names are not interchangeable. The '94-95, '96-98, and '99- 04 (New Edge) Mustangs all use the SN95 chassis.

C0V3R · Oct 18, 2008

I put in a KRC pump. Works great

Ford Windsor Forums - KRC Power steering setup on 302

ron67fb · Oct 18, 2008

I have the original pump and haven't had to add fluid in over a decade. Am I lucky, or are you unlucky?

C0V3R · Oct 19, 2008

You should go buy a lottery ticket!

tx65coupe · Oct 19, 2008

My friend has a 70 and used to have a 68. They both had constant power steering problems. This included leaks among other things. All of this is why I am leaving my 65 the way it came. I'm not going to put power steering on it. I am modifying / upgrading many other things, but that is not going to be one of them. I am going to be using a quicker ratio steering box from a power steering car though. It is in much better shape and has far less miles on it than the steering box that originally came in the car.

gonzothegreat · Oct 19, 2008

C0V3R said:
I put in a KRC pump. Works great

Ford Windsor Forums - KRC Power steering setup on 302

I also have a KRC pump, it works great

However, do NOT use the blue hoses!!!

C0V3R · Oct 19, 2008

Why not? Do they not work well or do they just look bad?

j69302 · Oct 19, 2008

Due to the higher pressures, you cant use the hoses shown on the picture because they slip on the barbed fittings and will not stay on. You need to get high pressure hydraulic hoses with socket type fittings(also known as reusable), or swaged fittings(like the ends of the factory p/s hoses).

Aeroquip lists the hoses KRC sells as Power Steering Specific hoses. They have high pressure and high vacuum ratings. These are not the hoses shown in the picture above.

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