• Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech

indications of bad o2 sensors?

  • Thread starter Thread starter jmd2914
  • Start date Start date Aug 21, 2006
J

jmd2914

Founding Member
Sep 6, 2002
937
0
0
Napa, California
Aug 21, 2006
#1
  • Aug 21, 2006
  • #1
how can you tell if your o2 sensors are bad? how much are they to replace?
 

HISSIN50

"How long does it take to get help in here?
15 Year Member
Nov 29, 1999
31,179
34
129
Aug 21, 2006
#2
  • Aug 21, 2006
  • #2
A HEGO code can be an indication. Poor fuel economy, a lack of noted frequency and amplitude at the O2 (as read with your meter) can be indications.

New ones are 40-50 beans each. You have two of 'em.

Good luck.
 
J

jmd2914

Founding Member
Sep 6, 2002
937
0
0
Napa, California
Aug 22, 2006
#3
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #3
yikes, well there is a bunch of white stuff looks like corosion running from the o2 sensor to the cat on the right side of my x pipe, could this be any indication of a bad sensor?
 

bill302

Active Member
Nov 2, 2005
2,131
1
46
alabama,gadsden
Aug 22, 2006
#4
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #4
right side meaning the passenger side if so this may be corosion from the moisture dripping from the a/c unit over many years.
 
J

jmd2914

Founding Member
Sep 6, 2002
937
0
0
Napa, California
Aug 22, 2006
#5
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #5
yes its the passenger side, but i dont think it could be that because i pulled my a/c about a month after putting in the x pipe
 

Blakthorn

Member
Jul 24, 2004
299
1
16
US
Aug 22, 2006
#6
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #6
anyone have any tips to get them out, they are practically stuck in
 

jrichker

StangNet's favorite TOOL
In Remembrance. Thank you for your contributions
Mar 10, 2000
27,512
2,813
234
Dublin GA
Aug 22, 2006
#7
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #7
Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great.

See http://www.troublecodes.net/Ford/
OR [[
See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html

IF your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see http://www.actron.com/product_detail.php?pid=16153 for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?3829 – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $35.

Wal-Mart may now have the LCD display scanner for less than $35

Bad O2 sensors will set the 41 or 91 code.

Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter.

Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts
 

Jaswir

Member
Mar 31, 2005
578
0
18
Orlando, FL
Aug 22, 2006
#8
  • Aug 22, 2006
  • #8
heat them up to get them removed!
 
S

Sicarius428

Active Member
Jan 6, 2004
2,085
5
49
Aug 23, 2006
#9
  • Aug 23, 2006
  • #9
I believe a 7/8ths wrench works. Unplug the wires and slip it through(it fits) the closed end of the wrench. That should give you enough contact area not to destroy or strip anything. Try soaking them first too.
Kevin
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Engine Fuel not pumping
  • Creomod
  • Apr 13, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
  • 2 3
Replies
51
Views
1K
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Jul 22, 2026
Noobz347
A
P0036 P0056 P0137 P0157 2020 Ford Mustang GT
  • AmkoA
  • Jun 16, 2026
  • 2024+ (S650) Mustang -General/Talk
Replies
0
Views
130
2024+ (S650) Mustang -General/Talk Jun 16, 2026
AmkoA
A
D
Engine HO cam in non HO roller block ‘93 f150
  • DanC1993f150
  • Mar 21, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
7
Views
342
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Mar 29, 2026
General karthief
Electrical Ron Francis Headlight / Alternator Harness
  • dan50
  • Apr 30, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
0
Views
228
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Apr 30, 2026
dan50
Engine Fan temp sensor location.
  • 7-UP BILL
  • Apr 3, 2026
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Replies
10
Views
233
Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech Apr 7, 2026
KRUISR
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • Fox 5.0 Mustang Tech
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?