Intake?

iowabowhunter · Sep 17, 2004

I have a 95 vert.
What is the bottle neck in these cars? Is it the upper plenum or the lower intake? The reason I ask is cause I'm shooting for 300 N/A flywheel hp which I've been told is obtainable even without a cam swap. I was thinking about going with a Cobra or aftermarket setup, but I have read on here about a guy named Tom Moss that does porting of the lower intake real cheap. Will a ported lower work as well as a Cobra?

5spd GT · Sep 17, 2004

There is very little difference between the Cobra lower and the tmoss lower...and the tmoss would be cheaper...

Do a search for his name and send him a PM and he'll get you fixed up...

The lower is the bottleneck between it and the upper...

1105 · Sep 17, 2004

Why not just buy a used cobra or explorer intake and get that ported? If you're looking for 300hp you're going to need a nice floring intake, heads, and exhaust. There are people on here with H/C/I's are making a little over 300hp and under 300rwhp.

I'd ditch the stock intake and buy an Edelbrock Performer 5.0 or buy a used Cobra/Explorer and have that ported to reach your goal

wytstang · Sep 17, 2004

1105 said:
Why not just buy a used cobra or explorer intake and get that ported? If you're looking for 300hp you're going to need a nice floring intake, heads, and exhaust. There are people on here with H/C/I's are making a little over 300hp and under 300rwhp.

I'd ditch the stock intake and buy an Edelbrock Performer 5.0 or buy a used Cobra/Explorer and have that ported to reach your goal

Except I would get a nice FLOWING intake instead of a floring one

iowabowhunter · Sep 17, 2004

So explorer and cobra intakes are the same? Also thinking about going with a set of P-heads, good or bad idea? I need a set of headers anyway, and I think Ford motorsport makes them for the P's. Or should I just save my money and go with a set of Roush or Trick Flow? Basicly what I'm looking for guys is a strong fun street car that will be bracket raced once in a while on the weekends.

wytstang · Sep 17, 2004

Yes the Cobra and Explorer are the same. GT-40p heads can make good power for a street stang. As you know (I hope) aluminuim heads are better all around. But plenty of people are making good power with the p heads. As far as headers me personally would go Mac long tubes they work with those heads with out any mods.

wytstang · Sep 17, 2004

Check out the FAQ sectio up top they have some users combos and the power they made.

RIO5.0 · Sep 17, 2004

5spd GT said:
There is very little difference between the Cobra lower and the tmoss lower...and the tmoss would be cheaper...

Do a search for his name and send him a PM and he'll get you fixed up...

The lower is the bottleneck between it and the upper...

I re-dyno'd here recently swapping from a tmoss stock lower to his Cobra lower...I netted 10 ponies in the deal...Im at 302FWHP...as said...the stock lower is pretty damn good for the power range your shooting for...I run a Steeda 19 cam though...

5spd GT · Sep 17, 2004

RIO5.0 said:
I re-dyno'd here recently swapping from a tmoss stock lower to his Cobra lower...I netted 10 ponies in the deal...Im at 302FWHP...as said...the stock lower is pretty damn good for the power range your shooting for...I run a Steeda 19 cam though...

A ported Cobra?

iowabowhunter · Sep 17, 2004

stupid ?

What "key words" should I use in the FAQ search to pull up some of these power combos? I tried a few different ones but reall didn't get any results.
BTW thanks for all the input guys.

wytstang · Sep 17, 2004

No the first tread is the FAQ section Look at the first post/tread

wytstang · Sep 17, 2004

Here you go http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=334773

Grn92LX · Sep 17, 2004

Some of you guys need your eyes checked. He said 300 FLYWHEEL hp. He does NOT need heads and he does NOT need to port an aftermarket intake.

Heres what WILL work since my friend had what you want. He had a cobra intake, c&l maf, gay shorty headers and full exhaust and pulleys. He did 245rwhp in his sn95. Something like that will do what you want BUT use longtubes and get a bigger TB. Whatever size the inlet of your manifold is, run that size TB

Road_Runna · Sep 18, 2004

Grn92LX said:
Some of you guys need your eyes checked. He said 300 FLYWHEEL hp. He does NOT need heads and he does NOT need to port an aftermarket intake.

Heres what WILL work since my friend had what you want. He had a cobra intake, c&l maf, gay shorty headers and full exhaust and pulleys. He did 245rwhp in his sn95. Something like that will do what you want BUT use longtubes and get a bigger TB. Whatever size the inlet of your manifold is, run that size TB

Full exhaust, Intake manifold, TB, Pulleys. Except on the long tubes, Their was a thread that shorty's make more HP according to 5.0 magazine. Long tubes are more for just the sound of the car.

Grn92LX · Sep 18, 2004

=Road_RunnaTheir was a thread that shorty's make more HP according to 5.0 magazine. Long tubes are more for just the sound of the car.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong!

Shall I say it again?

Jeff672000 · Sep 18, 2004

Grn92LX said:
Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong!

Shall I say it again?

One more time please

5spd GT · Sep 18, 2004

Grn92LX said:
Some of you guys need your eyes checked. He said 300 FLYWHEEL hp. He does NOT need heads and he does NOT need to port an aftermarket intake.

Heres what WILL work since my friend had what you want. He had a cobra intake, c&l maf, gay shorty headers and full exhaust and pulleys. He did 245rwhp in his sn95. Something like that will do what you want BUT use longtubes and get a bigger TB. Whatever size the inlet of your manifold is, run that size TB

I don't "some of you guys" saying anything about 300rwhp and not referring to the flywheel horsepower...1105's post was kind of confusing and can see where you got that from...but he is the only one I see...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with shorty headers...they can flow just as well as longtubes can...as long as the shortys don't become a restriction...and I can't see where they would with out more air being forced through it along with a h/c/i combo (referring to supercharger)...

245rwhp is not 300bhp...though it makes it much closer...

Bigger is not always better

To the original poster...get a 65mm TB

zenboy99 · Sep 18, 2004

Long tubes help with scavenging, its not about how much they flow. My roomate gained 8hp switching to long tubes, and he gained alot in the midrange.

Check out the 5L Ford dyno tests book, it says pretty much the same thing.

Grn92LX · Sep 18, 2004

5spd GT said:
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with shorty headers...they can flow just as well as longtubes can...as long as the shortys don't become a restriction...and I can't see where they would with out more air being forced through it along with a h/c/i combo (referring to supercharger)...

Been there/done that. LT's are WAY better. I dont race peak #'s on the dyno, but check out the under the curve gains on LT equipped cars vs shortys. Its awesome to say the least. I've seen a few dynos with that swap. I've also seen track times with LT swaps on stock and h/c/i cars. LT's own, end of story.

245rwhp is not 300bhp...though it makes it much closer...

Do the math, it sure is. Its between 245-255 depending what kinda loss you use.

To the original poster...get a 65mm TB

I just happen to have one for sale, a MINT accufab 65mm with egr Buy mine You should match the TB to the inlet of the aftermarket intake, but at that power level its probably not a big deal. There was a dude in another thread I was posting in maybe a month ago and posted his gains by going with a 70mm TB and then to a 75mm TB on his bolt on 94/95 cobra. He GAINED 9hp over stock with a 70mm and then he GAINED 4hp with the 75mm. Anyway, buy my 65mm accufab

5spd GT · Sep 18, 2004

Grn92LX said:
Been there/done that. LT's are WAY better. I dont race peak #'s on the dyno, but check out the under the curve gains on LT equipped cars vs shortys. Its awesome to say the least. I've seen a few dynos with that swap. I've also seen track times with LT swaps on stock and h/c/i cars. LT's own, end of story.

Do the math, it sure is. Its between 245-255 depending what kinda loss you use.

I just happen to have one for sale, a MINT accufab 65mm with egr Buy mine You should match the TB to the inlet of the aftermarket intake, but at that power level its probably not a big deal. There was a dude in another thread I was posting in maybe a month ago and posted his gains by going with a 70mm TB and then to a 75mm TB on his bolt on 94/95 cobra. He GAINED 9hp over stock with a 70mm and then he GAINED 4hp with the 75mm. Anyway, buy my 65mm accufab

My friend (again in the 90 gt) had BBK longtubes on his car...supposed 347 (ran with my bolt-on, full exhaust, 373'd car)...and he had some sort of rusty (other than stock headers...possibly the ford racing headers?)...and he gained...no difference in time but finished .5mph faster...so in this example and many I have seen...longtubes are NOT way better...harder to install for the HP you gain...Shorty's are just fine...

Actually it is closer to 290hp...and I did do the math

I know for a fact you would gain horsepower with those "bigger sizes"...but I'm looking for E.T. gains here...not peak horsepower numbers...

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