Limited Slip or Lockers?

LouisianaZJ · Nov 22, 2004

Edbert said:
No-slip is not a locker, it is a spool. Even the toughest "locker" out there will slip if there's enough traction differential. An LSD can last for many years under normal and even moderately agressive driving. But get one burnout where a wheel is in the water and the other is not and the LSD will be fried in a few seconds.

The old style detroit lockers WERE noisy, but that was with a stock ehaust Look into one of the newer "soft lockers"...they have 90% of the slip prevention and brute strenght of the old DL, and are 90% as smooth and quiet as an LSD.

let me clear up a few things
a full detroit no-spin aka "soft locker" is not a spool. it is a locker that allows one wheel to spin faster than the pinion, but never slower (about $500, requies gear setup (replaces carrier))

lockright's are crap. we call them lock-wrongs. detroit no slip drop in unit is basically the same as the lockwrong. (usually about $200-300, can be installed by avg mechanic)

there are two types of LSD's. gear operated and clutch operated. gear operated will usually lock up better, and will not wear out
clutch operated will wear out over time and does not lock up as good. this is the type OE limited slips usually are
(about $300, requires setup, replaces carrier)

a spool is a whole nother animal. the wheels speed is split 50/50 100% of the time no mater what. very hard on tires/axles if street driven
there are 2 types of spools: full and mini spool
full spool replaces the entire carrier, mini spool replaces the spider gears. both operated the same, but the full spool is stronger
(about $100, requires gear setup on full spool)

then we get into selectable lockers...ARB, OX, etc...

oh, one thing no one mentioned about the detroit is the pinion slop. there is usually 1/8 turn of the pinion before it starts to turn the wheels. so you will get banging moving from R to D, etc.

mustangdave · Nov 22, 2004

Wow, I followed this to get ideas about what kind I want and all I found out is that nobody agrees. One person says one type is great and another totally trashes it. No help at all.

LouisianaZJ · Nov 22, 2004

well to help, you can take the info posted by those without experience with the unit talked about, with a grain of salt.

Hissing Cobra · Nov 22, 2004

I agree. If these posters have never experienced these products, then their input should not be considered. Only those with experience have any credibility.

usedtobe 67p51d · Nov 22, 2004

no one slamed the torsen

Edbert · Nov 23, 2004

Hey fellas, tone down the rhetoric a bit and quit bashing other stangnet members.

Regarding the post where I was quoted on this page...if you have a differential that doesn't slip (what else can "no-slip" mean?) you have either welded it closed or you have a spool...PERIOD!

All differentials slip, look up the definition of the word differential some time. You can say a no-slip slips all you want, but that merely proves you are a victim of the marketing department.

LouisianaZJ · Nov 23, 2004

the only way a detroit is going to slip is if you break it, period

it will lock and unlock at times. there is a difference

Edbert · Nov 23, 2004

LouisianaZJ said:
the only way a detroit is going to slip is if you break it, period

it will lock and unlock at times. there is a difference

Not really, unless you want to get into the semantics of a marketeer.

Like I said, look up differential, "slip" or "unlock/disengage/ratchet/etc." they are the same thing. Different forces are exerted by the tire's traction through the axles to the differential, once the force of the varied traction overcomes the FRICTION inside the differential (which can vary widely due to setup or mechanical design) it what? IT SLIPS and allows one wheel to turn faster/slower than the other.

from dictionary.com
Differential Coupling,
a form of slip coupling used in light machinery to regulate at pleasure the velocity of the connected shaft.

See the word slip in there? Your locker unlocking is slipping, it is just more abrupt and less likely to happen is all. The only differentials that are not slippable (and thus not truly differentials anyhow) are spools (or broken diffs as you mentioned), ergo all differentials slip. Thank you.

nosaj122081 · Nov 23, 2004

Edbert said:
Like I said, look up differential, "slip" or "unlock/disengage/ratchet/etc." they are the same thing. Different forces are exerted by the tire's traction through the axles to the differential, once the force of the varied traction overcomes the FRICTION inside the differential (which can vary widely due to setup or mechanical design) it what? IT SLIPS and allows one wheel to turn faster/slower than the other.

I was with ya for a while, but this isn't right. A locker ONLY unlocks when you let it. The forces on the tires don't have anything to do with a lockers operation if you're on the throttle IME, only the force of your foot on the gas. That is why with a locker some low speed turns make the tires bark or hop, because you go at them under throttle. Thats the benefit of the locker, it does not slip based on "enviromental" conditions. If I'm under throttle, mine has NEVER unlocked. A LSD can ride those clutches and send an uneven amount of power to each wheel, the locker can't. its either locked like a spool, or its open.

69Rcode_Mach1 · Nov 23, 2004

Hey guys thanks for all the input guys. Im going to go with the soft locker. Is that the typical detroit that all you guys are looking at and is it a good product? Also i'm going to put in the 31 spline axles for the car while im at it. Can you guys give me a site that sells the 31 spline axles for the 9-inch thanks a lot.

nosaj122081 · Nov 23, 2004

69Rcode_Mach1 said:
Hey guys thanks for all the input guys. Im going to go with the soft locker. Is that the typical detroit that all you guys are looking at and is it a good product? Also i'm going to put in the 31 spline axles for the car while im at it. Can you guys give me a site that sells the 31 spline axles for the 9-inch thanks a lot.

Summit sells made to order Moser axles for a little less than $300 a pair IIRC. I have the Detroit and don't recall it being referred to as a "soft locker" anywhere in the literature. They just called it the "Detroit No-Spin" or locker. I looked at Trac-Techs website and didn't see any mention of it either, they just list it as the "No-Spin". Maybe this latest generation is just commonly referred to as soft lockers, I dunno. The only other Tractech listed is the EZ-Locker, which is like the Powertrax.

69Rcode_Mach1 · Nov 24, 2004

Anybody else here know if the detroit locker that everyone refers to is the soft locker? I can't find one just called a detroit locker.

nosaj122081 · Nov 24, 2004

69Rcode_Mach1 said:
Anybody else here know if the detroit locker that everyone refers to is the soft locker? I can't find one just called a detroit locker.

The Genuine Article

Hissing Cobra · Nov 24, 2004

To be honest, I've never heard of them being called a "soft-locker." Confusion seems to reign in this thread!

Mine is not noisy at all and does not ratchet while cornering. When it engages/disengages, it's more of a "clunk" than a noise. While driving, it's quiet as can be. Although while backing up, sometimes it bangs/clunks. Maybe that's what people are referring to when they say it's noisy. I don't know? Whatever the commentary, it's not enough to bother me. It's part of the game that I'm willing to put up with to have rock solid performance and reliablity.

There's something to be said for having piece of mind and knowing that it's not going to break or prematurely wear out.

LouisianaZJ · Nov 24, 2004

yes, the newer detroit no spin lockers are also called "soft locker"

69Rcode_Mach1 · Nov 24, 2004

Thanks guys it has all been cleared up. Thanks for the link Nosaj that is exactly what I was looking for.

Hissing Cobra · Nov 25, 2004

Good luck! Let us know how you make out.

69Rcode_Mach1 · Nov 25, 2004

Probably won't be for another couple weeks. I have to save up for 31 spline axles and the install cost. I may be able to do it sooner If I can convince "Santa" to hook me up with a detroit locker with 31 spline axles. But the car won't be up and running again till 1st of january as i am getting my victor jr.s and will begin my H/C/I swap and Im going to sell my performer manifold and current carb for a Holley 750 if i can. Ill get some vids and comments up ASAP though. I think I will make a thread where I will post pictures and info about the swap to help future stangers.

Limited Slip or Lockers?

LouisianaZJ

Member

mustangdave

My rearend needs a stud and two nuts.

LouisianaZJ

Member

Hissing Cobra

usedtobe 67p51d

New Member

Edbert

LouisianaZJ

Member

Edbert

nosaj122081

New Member

69Rcode_Mach1

Active Member

nosaj122081

New Member

69Rcode_Mach1

Active Member

nosaj122081

New Member

Hissing Cobra

LouisianaZJ

Member

69Rcode_Mach1

Active Member

Hissing Cobra

69Rcode_Mach1

Active Member

Similar threads

Limited Slip or Lockers?

Member

My rearend needs a stud and two nuts.

Member

New Member

Member

New Member

Active Member

New Member

Active Member

New Member

Member

Active Member

Active Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency