Yea...followers...no it turned out guy at part store sold me wrong intake valves...they were a hair too short. I'll tell you what though...ive never seen so many people divided on lifters...engine shop said yea they are fine just need to pump up and speed shop said they are garbage....i soaked them also and didn't make much of a difference...but i dont see what the problem is simce the oil pump will be pumping them up anyway. I appreciate the response!!!