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Asgard

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I'm sure that some of you out there have this problem. It is driving me crazy. My power windows are very loose. I have changed the bushings in one window and that helped somewhat, but it still rattles and can easily be pushed side to side and back and forth. If any of you have experienced this and fixed this, please let me know how. Thanks. Oh, I should probably add that the bushings I changed were the ones from the 50 resto catalog. The window guide bushings.
 

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I have the same problem, not sure what to do either
 
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*punt*
I guess we are the only 2 people to have this problem.
 
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I'm starting to get that problem also...
 
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I used to have that problem with my 5.0. guess i don't hafta worry about that anymore....
 

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alot of foxs have this problem with the shaking rattling windows!
 

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when the window is up everything is nice and tight, and the door shuts really nice, but if I even crack it open it rattles pretty bad.
 
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Same thing here.... i just chalked it up to being an older car...actually one of my windows won't even roll down anymore and i just changed the motor in it... worked for a week and stopped altogether.
 

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mine wobble too. I asked a long while ago about it and I was told to check the tracks and stuff and make sure everythings tight...haven't gotten around to it yet...
 

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me too, they are wiggly but dont rattle
 

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Same here, i'm gonna take a look at it pretty soon see if i can figure mine out. How hard is it to take off the door panel?
 

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89Notch said:
Same here, i'm gonna take a look at it pretty soon see if i can figure mine out. How hard is it to take off the door panel?
Click to expand...

Its easy ..just unclip the panel from the door ans remove the handle frame. Then push up the panel and it should slide out.
 

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hha i fear doorpanles...i took mine off (sorta..never got them full off) and they havent been right ever since
 
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I have this problem, too. Windows close nice and tight, but if I crack them even the slightest bit they rattle.

In the coming weeks I'm going to be ordering some things from 50resto.com as well as, shocks, springs an bushings. Some friends and I have a bit of a machine shop going, so I very well may fabricate something to tighten up the tracks if I do find they're loose (which is what I suspect).
 
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If you fab anything up, perhaps you can post some pics for us so that we could repeat it. As it stands, from my own examination, it seems a combination of loose rivets and metal stamps as well as the regulator arm and assorted hardware deflecting when the window is closed. I guess I was wondering if anyone had had them fixed by ford or maybe tried those electric-life replacements.
 
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Whatever we do, there will be lots of pictures and I'll let you know how it worked. I'm going to replace the bushings, too. I'll probably start with that and then go from there. If we see something obviously wrong (loose, bent, whatever), then we'll take pictures and fix that.
 
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Mine has a similar problem, they dont really rattle alot, but if they are up and I go to lower them, I hear the motor going down and then all of a sudden the window falls about a 1/2 inch before catching. Goes up fine, seals tight, but shakey front to rear. Not really a bad rattle problem though. Is this the same thing yall are talkin about?

Josh
 
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It is probably caused by similar things, but my windows are well attached, they are just so loose that they flop around. Changing the felt pad helps it to go up without help from my index finger, but its still annoying as heck.
 
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Alright, I have an update on this. Today a friend and I replaced the window bushings (from 50resto.com) for the passenger door to try handling the rattle in that window. Man, was it a royal pain.

The bushings themselves are quite small. About 1" square. They go around the guide rail for the window. You do have to get the guide rail out for this to work, and that's no easy task.

I will get pictures next week when we do the driver's window (which rattles much more), but in the mean time I have a couple of tips:

1) Pop the existing bushings out of their holes before attempting to remove the guide rail. This will give you a degree or two of extra play in the rail which will be very helpful. The rail can be removed without doing this. But as we discovered, it's not easy at all. The rail itself has a bolt at the top of the door and on the bottom of the door.

2) Once you've gotten the existing bushings out of their resting places go ahead and lower the window to the bottom (carefully, since it will now have more wobble to it). Getting the guide out will take some work. How we did it was to have one person pull on the part of the door where the guide bolted on to the top (there's a lot of flex in that piece of metal) so we could get the top of the bar out of it's position. We moved the top of the bar away from the hinges on the door.

One thing you need to be very aware of at this point is that the piece of metal at the top of the bar has some very sharp corners on it. It works pretty well for someone to keep their fingers between this piece and the window, especially if they're tinted. We discovered this the hard way and I now have a nice 2.5-3" scratch in the tint. Even letting this piece bump the tint leaves a pinhole in it. The tint was old and needed replacing, anyway. The other window has some bad scratches in the tint already, so now they match.

Anyway, you'll kind of have to fight with the bar to get it out of there, but it's doable. I promise.

If you removed the bushings before removing the bar, they're probably in the bottom of the door right now. Remember to grab these and toss them so they don't rattle.

3) Once the bar is out of the way, I would suggest (with the window all the way down) pushing the window as far away from the door hinge as you can. This will make it so you have get the lift arm out of it's guide. Once you've done this, clean out that guide rail with a Q-Tip and raise the arm so you can clean off the plastic piece at the end, too. We thought it was a good idea to roatate that end piece and put it back with the two previously unused sides at the top and bottom since they wouldn't be at all warn.

4) Go ahead and get the lift arm back in it's guide. Be sure it's in there in such a way as to use the "new" sides, not the old.

5) What we did when we put the new bushings in was to put the lower one in place, and put the other on on the bar (so we would have that extra play while we were putting the bar back to make it less of a pain, but could still get the bushing on).

6) Now for the really fun part: getting the bar back in it's place. We had one person slide the bar into place and another watching and guiding it (you'll probably hit the guide for the lift arm once you get the bar into the space where the top bushing goes, otherwise. That's what happened to us). Once you get it into the carige for the window, get it into the hole in the bottom and then allign it witht he top. Again, I cannot stress how easilly the piece at the top end of the bar can mess up window tint as well as the glass. Be very careful when working with this piece.

7) Once you get the bar into place, put the bolts on the top and bottom rather loosely. The top hole for the bar has some play so you can adjust the alignment. Get it tight enough so the bar can move some. Raise the window to the top so you can lubricate the bar and the guide for the lift arm.

Assuming nothing else is wrong, you should now have a window that goes up and down smoothly and doesn't rattle! Enjoy.
 
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RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!... Made you look.
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Thanks for the step-by-step instructions. It'll be a great help. Can't wait for the pics.
 
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