Sick96Stang said:Simple as this by the time u spent all that money getting that LS1 into your mustang you could have had a way faster 2v mustang by then. You want an engine swap fine go get an 03/04 cobra engine and you can blow the pants off pretty much any LS1 you want to. If you are that obsessed with staying N/A and just have some weird fetish for it I'm sure u can find some Ford engine that would do the job just as good as the LS1 would and can be put in for cheaper.
I am one of those die hard ford guys and will never get rid of my mustang. I'd rather run down the track than drive a camaro or especially a bmw. the motor mounts from a 4.6 can be used with little modification, I definately have a better suspension, rigidity, and rear end than most F-bodies.bimmertech said:first of all the ls1 cars have better suspension, brakes, rigidity than a mustang. ls1 does not use the same motor mounts as a sbc. sorry if this has been said before, but i think if you want an ls1 just get a camaro or a 95 bmw 3 series and put it in that, swap kits already available for those and then you wouldn't have to hear all the crap from die hard chevy/ford guys.
UDTBadkarma said:In fact, thats pretty much what I said on page 2
And there is NOTHING wrong with having a fetish with staying N/A
Mstg05 said:Its still pointless. How much will it cost to make your 4.6 4v 400 HP? You take an LS1 and do breathing mods (full exhaust, intake, manifold, maf) and you will exceed 400HP. You can probably get a stock ls1 up to 400HP with just about less than 1k. I hate to say it, but these cammer engines just don't respond as well to modifications as a pushrod motor. Look at the 302....you can bolt an eddy (or trick flow) manifold, do some exhaust work, computer upgrades and that thing will be bangin out 320 HP no problem.
Tony01GT said:I am one of those die hard ford guys and will never get rid of my mustang. I'd rather run down the track than drive a camaro or especially a bmw. the motor mounts from a 4.6 can be used with little modification, I definately have a better suspension, rigidity, and rear end than most F-bodies.
I don't want to blow the pants off pretty much any LS1, I want to be untouchable! I want to have a motor that will produce gobs of power N/A because I will spray with it too. So if I have a motor producing 500hp and lets say 500 ftlbs tq, slap a 250 shot on it and you got at least750-800 ftlbstq. Plus I can run someone without the bottla and say I beat you without a power adder. And come on, who wouldn't wanna beat someone without a power adder. A 4.6, or even a BB or a stroker with a power adder would have a hard time keeping up with a built LS1. So...get a built LS1 and a power adder.Sick96Stang said:Simple as this by the time u spent all that money getting that LS1 into your mustang you could have had a way faster 2v mustang by then. You want an engine swap fine go get an 03/04 cobra engine and you can blow the pants off pretty much any LS1 you want to. If you are that obsessed with staying N/A and just have some weird fetish for it I'm sure u can find some Ford engine that would do the job just as good as the LS1 would and can be put in for cheaper.
yea but only with a power adder.RedGTvert said:That was not the point I was making. The person in question asked about where he could get a 5.4 and I was responding.
Second, if I wanted an LS1 engine, I would buy a GM. I prefer to stick with what came in the car.
Lastly, sure it is expensive, but I will be putting in solid internals as well. You have to remember, the LS1 is still 69 CI more than the 4.6. I think it is pretty darn respectable being able to get 400+rwhp out of an engine the size of 281 CI.
Sick96Stang said:If you are that obsessed with staying N/A and just have some weird fetish for it I'm sure u can find some Ford engine that would do the job just as good as the LS1 would and can be put in for cheaper.
who said I was staying N/A? I want a motor that can produce good N/A numbers because I spray on my motor. I like nitrous, and will probably stick with nitrous over a blower. I'm not saying it is better, just I like it better. Not driving with boost all the time and can spray only when I need it.Sick96Stang said:If you want a 9 second car there might be something wrong with having an N/A fetish. Hell if I had the money I would have got a blower along ass time ago. Dont see why anybody who wants a 9 second car would want to stay N/A.
Tony01GT said:I don't want to blow the pants off pretty much any LS1, I want to be untouchable! I want to have a motor that will produce gobs of power N/A because I will spray with it too. So if I have a motor producing 500hp and lets say 500 ftlbs tq, slap a 250 shot on it and you got at least750-800 ftlbstq. Plus I can run someone without the bottla and say I beat you without a power adder. And come on, who wouldn't wanna beat someone without a power adder. A 4.6, or even a BB or a stroker with a power adder would have a hard time keeping up with a built LS1. So...get a built LS1 and a power adder.
Tony01GT said:I don't want to blow the pants off pretty much any LS1, I want to be untouchable! I want to have a motor that will produce gobs of power N/A because I will spray with it too. So if I have a motor producing 500hp and lets say 500 ftlbs tq, slap a 250 shot on it and you got at least750-800 ftlbstq. Plus I can run someone without the bottla and say I beat you without a power adder. And come on, who wouldn't wanna beat someone without a power adder. A 4.6, or even a BB or a stroker with a power adder would have a hard time keeping up with a built LS1. So...get a built LS1 and a power adder.
Tony01GT said:who said I was staying N/A? I want a motor that can produce good N/A numbers because I spray on my motor. I like nitrous, and will probably stick with nitrous over a blower. I'm not saying it is better, just I like it better. Not driving with boost all the time and can spray only when I need it.
very true! But like I said before, I'm not doing this for sure, I am looking into other options also, Ford Motors, etc. Waiting to make my final decision in fall.Sick96Stang said:IDK I guess we just see differently. I could really care less how I get to 11 seconds or whatever you want run. Blower, nitrous, N/A dont really matter to me 11 seconds is 11 seconds. You want to be untouchable you say well how about an 03/04 Cobra engine with a KB and 100 shot I think you will be pretty untouchable.
Sick96Stang said:IDK I guess we just see differently. I could really care less how I get to 11 seconds or whatever you want run. Blower, nitrous, N/A dont really matter to me 11 seconds is 11 seconds. You want to be untouchable you say well how about an 03/04 Cobra engine with a KB and 100 shot I think you will be pretty untouchable.
RedGTvert said:Why is it weird, because you say so? I have been there and done that with blower and nitrous cars.
Personally I prefer going fast with a car that I am not having to worry about all the crap that needs to be watched to assure it won't grenade. Forged or stock, a car with a power adder has a more likely change of going south than a N/A engine.
And please don't tell me it's all in the tune. I have seen many cars where dyno numbers are quite on a super safe tune, only to grenade 60 feet from the trees.
All the hardware needed to support a 400rwhp power adder car adds up quickly. Hardware that is not necessary for N/A.
I understand the thread starter point, only dissagree with the way he wants to go about it. If emissions are not an issue, Ford has a pretty good lineup of engines that can get him the much wanted power levels.
I know, whatever I do, I just want it to be different and stand out in the crowd. Money won't be a problem as long as I don't go too crazy, I'm stoping at 15K no more I think.RedGTvert said:You better think about putting some solid internals into the LS1 to be pushing that kind of power.
I still say a stoked 351 will get you there. It will be in the 500/500 range without the power adder. Parts are readily available.
Remember, 750rwhp cars are not a dime a dozen and take all kinds of money to build.
RedGTvert said:No offense, but the 03/04 engine will not hold up under that kind of power. The guts are good, but not that good.
Tony01GT said:I do realize someone will always be faster and I'm fine with that. I just want to be one of those cars that when people see it, even 10 second cars, they say I'm not messing with that.
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