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TTSaleen05

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Giving an update fellas, I have to wait on purchasing the fuel pressure tester and another vacuum tester. So out of boredom I went out there and started going through the wiring again and I looked at the ignition switch in the column. There was a gap on one side of it, I’m hoping that was the issue. I’m in the process of reassembling now
 

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Ok so after the ignition switch fix and new 02 sensors. Still the exact same symptoms. Finally purchased a vacuum tester and fuel pressure tester. With the vac line off the regulator it’s reading 40 psi, revved it up and it’s holding 40ish psi. The vacuum was about 10 psi at idle, which is way to low. I already checked the vacuum line in the engine bay. Could this be a lower intake gasket?
 

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If your fuel pressure was 10psi with the vacuum line connected I would change the regulator. JMO
 

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Ok so after the ignition switch fix and new 02 sensors. Still the exact same symptoms. Finally purchased a vacuum tester and fuel pressure tester. With the vac line off the regulator it’s reading 40 psi, revved it up and it’s holding 40ish psi. The vacuum was about 10 psi at idle, which is way to low. I already checked the vacuum line in the engine bay. Could this be a lower intake gasket?
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Finding vacuum leaks

Revised 6 May 2018 to add carbon canister plumbing as a common leak area.

There is no easy way to find vacuum leaks. It is a time consuming job that requires close inspection of each and every hose and connection.

Small vacuum leaks may not show much change using a vacuum gauge. The range of "good readings" varies so much from engine to engine that it may be difficult to detect small leaks. The engine in my first Mustang pulled about 16.5" of vacuum at 650-725 RPM, which I consider rather low. It was a mass market remanufactured rebuild, so no telling what kind of camshaft it had. Average readings seem to run 16"-18" inches at idle and 18"-21" at 1000 RPM. The only sure comparison is a reading taken when your car was performing at its best through all the RPM ranges and what it is doing now. Use one of the spare ports on the vacuum tree that is mounted on the firewall near the windshield wiper motor.

Use a squirt can of motor oil to squirt around the mating surfaces of the manifold & TB. The oil will be sucked into the leaking area and the engine will change speed. Avoid using flammable substitutes for the oil such as starting fluid, propane or throttle body cleaner. Fire is an excellent hair removal agent, and no eyebrows is not cool...

After you have done the simple visual checks and the check for vacuum leak on the underside of the intake manifold, consider doing a smoke test.
Some of the guys here have built smoke machines used to find automotive vacuum leaks. They seem to work quite well and are made mostly with parts you would have laying around in your garage. Check out smoke machine vacuum leak - YouTube and see if there is one that you could build.

The vacuum line plumbing is old and brittle on many of these cars, so replacing the lines with new hose is a good plan. The common 1/8” and ¼” vacuum hose works well and isn’t expensive.

The PCV grommet and the power brake booster check valve grommet are two places that often get overlooked when checking for vacuum leaks. The rubber grommets get hard and lose their ability to seal properly. The PVC grommet is difficult to see if it is correctly seated and fitting snugly.

The hoses and connections for the evaporative emissions (carbon canister and purge valve) are other common sources of vacuum leaks. The large vacuum outlets on the bottom side of the upper intake manifold are common hiding places for deteriorated vacuum lines and caps over unused vacuum ports.

Fuel injector O rings can get old and hard. When they do, they are prone to leaking once the engine warms up. This can be difficult to troubleshoot, since it is almost impossible to get to the injectors to squirt oil into the fuel injector mounting bosses. If the plastic caps on the fuel injectors (pintle caps) are missing, the O rings will slide off the injectors and fall into the intake manifold.

Fuel injector seal kits with 2 O rings and a pintle cap (Borg-Warner P/N 274081) are available at Pep Boys auto parts. Cost is about $3-$4 per kit. The following are listed at the Borg-Warner site ( http://www.borg-warner.com ) as being resellers of Borg-Warner parts:
http://www.partsplus.com/ or http://www.autovalue.com/ or http://www.pepboys.com/ or http://www.federatedautoparts.com/

Most of the links above have store locators for find a store in your area.

Use motor oil on the O rings when you re-assemble them & everything will slide into place. The gasoline will wash away any excess oil that gets in the wrong places and it will burn up in the combustion chamber. Heat the pintle caps in boiling water to soften them to make them easier to install.



Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds



Vacuum leak due to slipped lower intake manifold gasket...

Ask Nicoleb3x3 about the intake gasket that slipped out of place and caused idle and vacuum leak problems that could not be seen or found by external examination. I don't care what you spray with, you won't find the leak when it is sucking air from the lifter valley. It simply isn't possible to spray anything in there with the lower manifold bolted in place.





Determining if you have a leak due to a slipped intake gasket as shown above. This test is only good if you can get the engine to run somewhere in the 1000-1700 RPM range
If your valve cover oil filler & PVC systems are still in the original configuration, try this:
Cap or plug the hose from the intake manifold to the PVC valve with a bolt.
Cap or plug the PVC valve with a piece of hose with a plug or bolt in it.
At that point the only vent for the crankcase is the tube from the oil filler neck to the throttle body.

Disconnect the tube that runs from the oil filler neck to the throttle body. Make sure the oil filler cap is on securely. Start the engine and put your thumb over the end of the tube that comes from the oil filler cap. If you feel suction, there is a leak. Another thing to do is to extend the tubing from the filler neck so that there is enough to stick the end in a jar or cup filled with motor oil. If it sucks up the oil, you definitely have a leak at the underside of intake manifold.

This isn't necessarily the definitive test, but it is the best thing I could come up with on short notice. If there is a lot of blowby, this obviously won't be of much help.

See the picture below to see the breather tube where in connects to the throttle body. It is close to the TPS and runs over the top of the IAC.

The following are diagrams courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds



See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/ Everyone should bookmark this site.

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg

HVAC vacuum diagram
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/Mustang_AC_heat_vacuum_controls.gif

TFI module differences & pinout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/TFI_5.0_comparison.gif

Fuse box layout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/MustangFuseBox.gif
 

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I will do the PCV test first thing in the morning, I will hook up the gauge to the oil filler neck. I do hear hissing near the canister purge black box but I have the vacuum line blocked off from the intake. The line going to the back of the car is still hooked up to it though. Is it normal for it to hiss with the vacuum line blocked off from the intake?
 

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General karthief said:
If your fuel pressure was 10psi with the vacuum line connected I would change the regulator. JMO
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It’s at 40 PSI bud, the vacuum at idle was 10 PSI
 

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TTSaleen05 said:
It’s at 40 PSI bud, the vacuum at idle was 10 PSI
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Just for reference and proper terminology, vacuum is measure in inches of mercury or Hg. So, you mean the vacuum reading at idle is 10 Hg
 

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Oh yeah sorry about that
 

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psi/hg/lbs/spca gotta get it right or it's confusing.
Sooo, what is the fuel pressure with the vacuum line hooked up.
Vacuum seems kinda low
And that's General Bud, bud
 

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It was the same with the vacuum line on. No noticeable change in fuel pressure
 

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You have a vacuum problem.
 

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Yes, I, disassembled the upper and lower intake now, I’m struggling trying to get one of the fuel lines off
 

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What part are you having trouble with?
 

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I was having trouble with the skinnier of your fuel line, the upper fuel line. So what I did was I was able to disconnect the bottom one then I rotated the fuel rail 180° to the passenger side to get it out of the way of the lower intake. I had to take a pause and bring my sons to the pool. But now I have the heater tube off and I am I’m ready to start unbolting the lower intake once I’m able to get this hose off the thermostat housing.
 

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Ok I’m stumped, baffled, confused on what the hall is wrong with this car. I finally was able to remove the lower intake. There is nothing wrong with the gaskets, they do not have any tears or rips. It didn’t even slip when I looked down there under the intake. Why is my vacuum so low? I blocked off the vacuum to the EGR, I blocked off the vacuum to the canister purge, new PCV hose, under the intake the hose are good....wtf.
 

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TTSaleen05 said:
Ok I’m stumped, baffled, confused on what the hall is wrong with this car. I finally was able to remove the lower intake. There is nothing wrong with the gaskets, they do not have any tears or rips. It didn’t even slip when I looked down there under the intake. Why is my vacuum so low? I blocked off the vacuum to the EGR, I blocked off the vacuum to the canister purge, new PCV hose, under the intake the hose are good....wtf.
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It is time to beg, borrow or buy a vacuum gauge to troubleshoot the problem. Most auto parts stores will rent or load one if you have a credit card.

Vacuum Gauge readings
 

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Yes jrichker, I purchased a gauge, I’m reassembling now to retest it
 

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Here are photos of my lower intake gaskets. It has the ford stamp on it. Although they aren’t torn, they do appear to be flattened.
 

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Should I replace these?
 

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Should I replace these?
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Always replace the lower intake manifold gaskets if the engine has been run.
 
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