My first stang... 64' Stang..

64StangOwner · Apr 19, 2004

Ok well my dad's best friend is selling us this 64' stang thats like awsome project car... there is like virtually no rust just a little bit... needs a serious paint job... which will happen in about 6 months to a year...

Well it has a 260 small block i do believe ... and i was wondering if i could put a 350 in it or somthing ... or what the biggest engine we could put in there would be with out weighing the front of the car down to much....

We are going to rebuild the engine totally ... So before we rebuild this one I want to see what the biggest engine i can fit into my stang and then get one of those and rebuild it...

I cant wait...

Thanks in advance,

-- Paul

87gn2 · Apr 19, 2004

Okay, first off, congrats on your first stang.

Second, a 350 is a chevy, and nobody here will ever talk to you again if you put one in your car.

And third, are you sure you want a "big" engine? Big does not mean powerful. I'm gonna start a fire here by saying this, but small blocks are better than big blocks. If you want to go all out, stroke a 351W to 427. It'll weigh less than your current engine if you use aluminum heads and intake. A big block won't easily fit in your car, either.

edit: Also, consider the money. I wouldn't go to the expense of rebuilding a 260 if you're going to spend 5-8000 bucks on a more powerful engine.

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

I'm taking it you mean a 351? 350 is a Chevy motor and we'll ban you if you try to put one in. LOL!!!

You say dad and us, so I'm guessing you're young (nothing wrong with that) and on a somewhat limited budget (sometimes that could cause a problem).

The biggest practical engine would probably be a stroker 351 (a 408) and to keep the weight down, you'd want to go with an aluminum block (can go to 454 with one) and heads. But now you're talking way over 10 grand in a finished motor. Your best bet would be a 302 based 331 or 347 stroker motor and put some aluminum heads on it. That'd be more cubes and lighter weight on the nose.

3spd on floor · Apr 19, 2004

if you put a 350 in there, i, along with most of the other members of this board will be forced to revoke your mustang owners liscense. A 351 however would be perfectly suitable, and either variety(cleveland or windsor) will swap in without too much hassle. if you're concerned with weight savings, an aluminum headed 302 based stroker would be ideal.

(fyi a 350 is a GM engine)

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

I think a Cleveland would be a bit too wide. Shock tower notching would take care of that, but the plethora of SBF stuff out there, you really don't need to go 335 series on a car that wasn't originally made for one.

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

All that said, my race 289 (.030 over so I guess technically its a 291 ) had '69 351w heads, cast 289 crank, aluminum rods, 12.7:1 pistons (about 11.5:1 with the bigger chamber heads) and a solid roller cam and sent a 3000# car with a Jerico, ladder bars, and a 5.67 rear on 30X9 slicks down the 1/4 to the tune of 11.08@119mph. And we wind it up to 8,000 rpm with 2 bolt mains and no stud girdle. So small blocks CAN do big things, but a blanket statement that SBs are better than BBs is wrong, it just depends on what you're going to do with it. Street driving and an occasional blast down the strip, a SB will suit you just fine. Besides, putting a real big block in your car is just and exercise in excess, it can be done (with enough money, anything can be done) but it's just not practical. A 260 has a 3.8" bore and if built properly, likes to wind high, think about it, the first Shelby Cobras had 260s in them.

64StangOwner · Apr 19, 2004

Ohhhhh....

I did not know 350 is only chevy... lol... Sooooooorrrrrry......

Well with this said

A 351 however would be perfectly suitable, and either variety(cleveland or windsor) will swap in without too much hassle. if you're concerned with weight savings, an aluminum headed 302 based stroker would be ideal.

Which would be better over all... a 351 with some extra weight or a 302 based stroker with less weight..

Thanks in advance, and sorry about the engine mishap...dont kill me lol

-- Paul

65fastback2+2 · Apr 19, 2004

you could put a 350 in it...

then you might as well push it off a cliff :-D

64StangOwner · Apr 19, 2004

Also with what 1320stang said :

Street driving and an occasional blast down the strip, a SB will suit you just fine. Besides, putting a real big block in your car is just and exercise in excess, it can be done (with enough money, anything can be done) but it's just not practical. A 260 has a 3.8" bore and if built properly, likes to wind high, think about it, the first Shelby Cobras had 260s in them.

I think i might stick with the 260... But If i rebuild it and all that whats an estimate of horse power that could be achieved? give or take like 20 hp lol....

Thanks in advance,

-- Paul

P.S. 1320Stang.. Do you happen to play nitto 1320?

65fastback2+2 · Apr 19, 2004

64StangOwner said:
I did not know 350 is only chevy... lol... Sooooooorrrrrry......

Well with this said

Which would be better over all... a 351 with some extra weight or a 302 based stroker with less weight..

Thanks in advance, and sorry about the engine mishap...dont kill me lol

-- Paul

id say a 351 is gonna last longer with the power, its meant for more go get em.

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

64StangOwner said:
Also with what 1320stang said :

I think i might stick with the 260... But If i rebuild it and all that whats an estimate of horse power that could be achieved? give or take like 20 hp lol....

Thanks in advance,

-- Paul

P.S. 1320Stang.. Do you happen to play nitto 1320?

Don't know what that is. I know Nitto makes tires, don't know of any game. The biggest problem with building the 260 is piston choice. A nice set of forged flattops will do you just fine, but I'm not sure who makes any. I have a 260 longblock just sitting in my shed that I'm wondering what I'm ever going to do with it. A 289/302 is just damn near the same thing as what you have, just with a 4" bore. The 260 heads have reall small chambers, so with some flat tops you can really bump you're compression. But they also have smaller valves and the same anemic exhaust ports all stock SBF heads seem born with. But if they're the same size dimensionally, you're really looking better as with the smaller bore, you're not trying to pump as much volume of air (an engine is just an air pump). I think it would really be fun to cut you're teeth and seeing what you can do with the 260. If you can make that scream, you'll learn a TON that will help you with bigger and better motors later on. When the Fox bodied mustangs first came out with fuel injection, I had a friend with a '88 LX hatch that with nothing more than a set of shorties and a cam and a bunch of tuning run 12.36, now this was in '88, they didn't make aluminum heads and throttle bodies and all the other cool daddy stuff for these cars.

64StangOwner · Apr 19, 2004

Well me and my dad just decided to rebuild the 260... And maybe eventually replace it if we ever wanted to...

But like where are some sites that you guys know of that has parts for the 260 possible like pistons and all the fun stuff

Thanks in advance,

-- Paul

65fastback2+2 · Apr 19, 2004

you can easily turn a 260 into a 302

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

I think that's probably a wise choice, a rebuild won't cost too much and the experience you'll get doing it with your dad will be priceless. PAW sells a big
honking (we're talking dictionary sized) catalog for $5 that has a ton of stuff
in it. I've never bought one, but most of the guys I know that have, don't buy
from there, but use it for reference and for part numbers. I've had good luck
with Jeg's and Summit buying parts, but I doubt you'll find any 260 listings in
there. They don't put everything in the catalog that they have or can get and
if you call in, sometimes you'll get ahold of someone that knows less than you,
but be patient. I'll tell you, going to a NAPA store and finding an old guy that
works there that looks like he's been working there all his life is a great source
of information. My home town is a little farming and oilfield community and our
old parts store (it was a Green Light first, then a NAPA) had everything and a
machine shop out back, you could get ANYTHING there, it was great, and for
really old cars too, like 40's and 50's models.

There's a small block forum on network 54 that you might post some questions on
as I bet you'll find more people that know their way around a 260 than here.

www.network54/hide/forum/119417

1320stang · Apr 19, 2004

65fastback2+2 said:
you can easily turn a 260 into a 302

I think you'll hit water first. 289 to 302 no prob, just change the reciprocating assembly.

64StangOwner · Apr 20, 2004

Well i went on the network54 thing you showed me and posted and they said i could get the flathead forged pistons from jeg or summit pretty easilly...

I cant wait tho... Because the seats and interior for the most part have that never been used look...

When I get it im going to that pics of it and put them in my website.. im going to get like every good angle all the interior pics with my friends digital camera...

Then since im good with photo shop im going to do a virtual paintjob and stuff... its going to be fun...

-- Paul

Ozsum67 · Apr 20, 2004

OK, let's see a show of hands.....Who on here has ever seen or heard of a 64 stang? I never new they made em. It may be a rare prototype that was released prior to the early 65 delivery date.

1320stang · Apr 20, 2004

He'll soon learn there's no real '64 stang. But April 17, 1964 is sure a long ways away from 1965. The generally accepted '64 1/2 stangs are the ones with the untrimmed hood, beveled headlight buckets (to clear the hood), 260 if a V8, generator, small Mustang lettering on the fenders, generator light on the dash, that's all that I can think of, but there are other small details. The problem with them is the grey area where they started running out of some parts before others, it's hard to pin those down, but all the titles say 1965. He's new and young and excited about getting a Mustang, don't start dissing him just because he doesn't know any better.

Ozsum67 · Apr 20, 2004

1320stang said:
He'll soon learn there's no real '64 stang. But April 17, 1964 is sure a long ways away from 1965. The generally accepted '64 1/2 stangs are the ones with the untrimmed hood, beveled headlight buckets (to clear the hood), 260 if a V8, generator, small Mustang lettering on the fenders, generator light on the dash, that's all that I can think of, but there are other small details. The problem with them is the grey area where they started running out of some parts before others, it's hard to pin those down, but all the titles say 1965. He's new and young and excited about getting a Mustang, don't start dissing him just because he doesn't know any better.

No time like the present to learn an important fact wouldn't you say???

none67 · Apr 20, 2004

Ozsum67 said:
No time like the present to learn an important fact wouldn't you say???

yea, thats true, but does it really matter? the car WAS physicly made in 64, not 65. though the vin will tell you diffrent..

i think that the 260 is a grat motor, don't see many of them. nearly everyone and his brother has a 302 or a 351 (nothing wrong with that, great motors). nice to see somthing a little diffrent.

do you have any plans for the car or are you gonna bring her back to stock? good luck

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