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[fivespeedsteed]

alright so heres the deal. my car has turbines right now, and the tires wont pass inspection (had to get a slap). my goal for this winter is to get it back to where i can drive it and it will pass. this means i need tires, and balljoints( didnt fail because of it, it has indicators and they knock and stuff, there both gone). my friend just got deep dish bullits on his vic, and he is selling me the 2 he isnt using for 50 dollars.. they are oem 17" ones. so i need to track down 2 bullits, then probably buy tires. then balljoints. do i want just replacement moog problem solvers, or do i need sn-95 style? spacers? next i need a 5 lug. probably the most in expensive way. is it easiest to get the lrs kit for 400 and get sn95 spindles? (the mark 7 spindles wont work with bullits)then will my back end be fox length, while my front is sn95? so im thinking i need to piece it together, 5 lug drums, sn-95 axles (wider i know) then 5 lug rotors, and sn-95 spindles. what do i need to get my tie rods to mate up right? the location where they mount is different right? then i need the fluids, ect, ect.

now the thing is that i cant do this in my driveway, my dad hates when i spill **** on it. 94gtho borrowed his moms boyfriends extra garage type deal ( dude with the vic's dad) to sand his 4 banger, so im tihnking i can borrow the place for a week or 2 and get it done. i have a second car. can i realistically do this all myself? while im here at school dicking around drinking beer i figured i could put together a really really really complete list, so once i got started (in someone elses garage) i wouldnt have to order last minute crap to finish the job. ive been luring the auto x forum of corral, and i lost my hdd in a storm recently, so i dont have the bookmarks to the 5 lug swap sites. can anyone help and point me off in the right direction for research.?
cars chillin in my driveway at home right now. then what do you think ill have to do, beat the fender lips in with a BFH, flip the quads? what if i want to get sportlines, and new iso's will they still clear okay?

also i think my PS rack is dead, how does one know for sure?

 

[SVT32VDOHC]

Use 94-95 spindles and go with those brakes too, or upgrade to 99-04 PBR's Use two 5/8" hardened washer to place on top of the spindle after you set it on the balljoint, so the cotter pin is spaced up correctly. Then do Ranger rear axles, and Ranger 5 lug drums. That isn't the most inexpensive front 5 lug swap, but you get to run ALL wheels with their center caps, and you upgrade the brakes tremendously. That is the cheapest rear swap though. Just thread the fox tie rods out until they fit in the 94-95 spindle hole. Then get an alignment right away. I had to turn my tie rods out about 17 turns per side.

 

[fivespeedsteed]

but thats all fox length stuff isn't it? so your saying use 94-95 calipers also?

 

[LiquidGT]

The LRS kit uses Mark VII rotor so the bullitts would look like crap, you'll definately want to use 94-95 spindles (fox track) and calipers. You can upgrade to '99-04 GT calipers on those 94-95 spindles if you really want to stop.

For the back you can use all sn95 stuff and probably be fine with a 17x8 rim; or use North Racecars brackets and fox lenght axles if you want a stock track. Or just use Ranger drums and axles out back for the el cheapo route.


This is the best write up I've seen to date, read it and you'll be an expert. He's using Cobra calipers/rotors in front, but the GT stuff bolts up pretty much the same. Mustangmotorsport - Mustangs and a whole lot more!

 

[jrichker]

Best brake & 5 lug conversion site on the web - Matt90GT's 87-93 Mustang 5.0 Brake upgrade pages. Improve your 60-0 times! has all the brake & 5 lug information you will need.

 

[SVT32VDOHC]

Front: 94-95 spindles with 94-98 calipers, or you could go with 94-95 spindles and 99-04 V6 & GT front calipers. Those are lighter than the 94-98 calipers, and they are dual piston.

Rear: Ranger left side rear axles. Or Aerostar right rears...heres the interchange
Aerostar '86-91 Rear Axle; Ford, R.
Aerostar '92-97 Rear Axle; R.
Bronco II '84-90 Rear Axle; L.
Ranger '83 Rear Axle; 10 bolt hsg cover, L.
Ranger '84 Rear Axle; 10 bolt hsg cover, 7-1/2" ring gear, L.
Ranger '85-86 Rear Axle; 7-1/2" ring gear, L.
Ranger '87-92 Rear Axle; L.

 

[LiquidGT]

Best brake & 5 lug conversion site on the web - Matt90GT's 87-93 Mustang 5.0 Brake upgrade pages. Improve your 60-0 times! has all the brake & 5 lug information you will need.

Thanks I forgot about that link, its exactly like sn95brakes.com excepet their site is all screwed up for some reason now. Now I can finally see the pics on how to modify the spindles for pbr calipers. I'm still leaning toward Cobra.

 

[Kman92]

The back end goes quickly..maybe an Hour or 2 the first time.The front end Might be a pain..unless you have ALL the pieces ready to go.
Good Luck

 

[fivespeedsteed]

so its not strange to have sn95 width in the back and fox width in the front? i just assume make it all sn95 width? whats it require to get the 96+ spindles to work?

 

[SVT32VDOHC]

so its not strange to have sn95 width in the back and fox width in the front? i just assume make it all sn95 width? whats it require to get the 96+ spindles to work?

My black notch is 94-95 front and fox rear, it's fine. It's only widened by 5mm.

96-04 spindles, work too but the track width is 8mm wider than using 94-95 spindles, which means 13mm wider than stock Fox body track width. However, they do accomodate the 99-04 PBR dual piston calipers without modification to the ears (like the 94-95's do.)

I have 96-04 spindles on my 81 notch, but I have the 2001 rear end too, so I need the extra 8mm in width over 94-95's.

 

[fivespeedsteed]

so getting sn95 axles will get me 8 mm wider per side, and 94-95 spindles will get me 5mm wider per side?

 

[5.0Torx]

i just did this. I used 95 spindles, new BJs, new tie rod ends, new rotors, 99 PBR front calipers, and ranger rear crap.

AZ took my 95 calipers as core charge for the 99 PBRs so i would definitely recommend that.

I got SN95 style BJs from AZ and it turned out that they use a nylon lock on the nut itself rather than a cotter pin, so that eliminates the hassle altogether.

get a 2 jaw and a 3 jaw puller for the BJs and tie rod ends. thats what took the most time for me. several hours swinging my biggest hammer, 30 minutes trip there and back to AZ to get the pullers, 10 minutes doing it right....you all know how that goes.

 

[fivespeedsteed]

what does pbr mean? you mean you did the dual piston calipers? so ranger stuff out back and 95 spindles won't look odd cause the front will be 10 mil wider total and the back will be fox length?

 

[5.0Torx]

pbr is a company, like brembo. for 99, along with the PI heads, ford wanted better braking i guess, so they outsourced the brakes from professionals rather than in-house. yes, they are dual piston, but theyre also aluminum. MUCH lighter than the pre-99 crap.

i bought the entire front brake assembly for a 95 from ebay. i turned the 95 calipers in on my 99s from AZ. they took them as a core charge which made the upgrade much cheaper. otherwise i wouldve had to buy them outright, and this is definitely an area of the car where you pay to play.

Someone needs to chime in here, but im pretty sure the 99 and 00 brakes used a fine thread banjo bolt, whereas 01+ (even S197 i think) they switched back to the old coarse thread banjo. Getting banjo bolts was the biggest PITA for me, it took several days for them to show up. Id go for 01+ calipers so that you can use a corase thread SN95 banjo.

Also, my car was down for a week while i did this. Much like changing the springs, the front took me 4 days of fussin and cussin, and the back went in in about an hour lol. I did about everything wrong too. Two biggest piece of advice i have are get your banjos, brake hoses, the weatherhead fitting, and 2 and 3 jaw pullers before you start. This is a project wherein the "connective tissue" causes more headaches than the big stuff. spindles, calipers, axles, etc, all go in pretty quick. Imagine my frustration when im 2 minutes from bleeding my brakes to find that my goddamn banjos didnt fit my PBRs!!! there went 3 days just waiting for them to show up, and i still had to bleed after that...

 

[old_blue]

just kinda scanning through this thread, so if this stuff has been already posted. the 96-98 axles are longer by 3/4". I went with them when I did my rear end and it set the tires out perfectly.

 

[1990Coupe]

what does pbr mean? you mean you did the dual piston calipers? so ranger stuff out back and 95 spindles won't look odd cause the front will be 10 mil wider total and the back will be fox length?

I don't think u can do a 95 axle with a stock fox rear end and drums. Won't the axle stick out a little further thus bringing the drum itself further off the shoes????


I just did a ranger axle, 2001 rear disc conversion, sn95 front spindles and 99+ pbr calipers (mine were from an 01 as well). Check my progress thread for pics. I also took out the stock ball joints and put in sn95 balljoints. its really easy actually to do, they rent presses from advance for free (you pay a fee, and return for full refund). once i unhooked everything a few swings from a BFH got the ball joints out, and the giant C clamp with hardware i rented pressed them right in.. Piece of cake!

 

[fivespeedsteed]

oh yeah i guess your right that would push the drums off the shoes if it was wider. so if i stay with drums i basically have to stay fox length. so it wont look strange with a wider than stock track up front and stock track in the rear?

 

[old_blue]

I think you can run the steeda ball joints too. I ran disc from a 96 must on the rear with the long axles so I have no experience with the drums. sorry.

 

[5.0Torx]

so it wont look strange with a wider than stock track up front and stock track in the rear?

its noticable, but not riduculous. you are talking maybe a 1/4" each side roughly. you have to be looking hard to notice. I have 95 spindles and fox length ranger axles so it is a tad wider up front but im also a college student so im just happy to be able to afford the kcikass PBRs over the stock crap. the rear end will be dealt with at a later date. for now, it rolls!

 

[SVT32VDOHC]

so getting sn95 axles will get me 8 mm wider per side, and 94-95 spindles will get me 5mm wider per side?

No. SN95 axle shafts will push the rear wheels out 3/4" per side. The 94-95 front spindles push the front wheels out 5mm.

If you go with Ranger rear axles and drums, just do 94-95 spindles. You can't notice 5mm!! It's not 1/4" like said above, 1/4" is equal to 7mm. It's only 5mm.