i got the rims used off a guy i know. he says he got them out of cali, he says it was the only place who had them at the time he bought them. they were the first 4-lug cobra r's offered i guess. but ive seen similar ones and i think there the 95 style r's. im looking into getting 17x8 for the front so that way i can do about an 1-1.5 lowering spring without rolling fenders. im not sure, i found ford racing f springs that i tink i can get away with without cganging rims