Need Help Locating Timing Cover

66 Tiger · Jan 25, 2007

Can anyone help with identifying this timing cover:

The Ford part number is : C4AE - 6059 B

I have labored over the computer for what seems like days now trying to replace this thing & I can't find a replacement listed anywhere!

If anyone has any info or knows of a source who supplies these I would GREATLY appreciate it...

Thanks.

66 Tiger · Jan 25, 2007

*UPDATE*

Ok - Here's what I just found out by cross-referencing Eldebrock's part number for the Eldebrock water-pump that I am using.

Apparently it's a K-Code HIPO timing cover...

The bad part is, I still can not find a replacement cover anywhere. Are there any K-Code people out there who are familiar with this that could possibly recommend a supplier for the cover?

Thanks again...

D.Hearne · Jan 25, 2007

Try Mustang's Unlimited. All the replacements I know of are the later style. Seems Mustangs Unlimited stocked or offfered both though. And it's not a Hi-po only part. I bought a 67 Stang a few years back that had the same cover and it wasn't a Hi-po motor.

ratio411 · Jan 25, 2007

It is an early timing cover.
Came on the first couple years of the SBF when it had a factory aluminum water pump with no back plate.
It has a knock out/boss in the top for an oil breather tube.
Back when they used 'road draft' crank ventilation.
If it was on a car 66 or later, then someone put it there sometime in the last 40 years because they started using PCV systems then and went to the iron WP.

These pop up on eBay now and again, but they get bid up pretty good.
I am sitting on a couple and I know others that are too, you just don't find them anymore.

Good luck
Dave

ratio411 · Jan 25, 2007

BTW: What is wrong with that one?
You might be cheaper to repair it.

D.Hearne · Jan 26, 2007

Dave, the cover I had, didn't have the provision for a filler/breather tube. The one you're talking about was an even earlier cover.

mustangdave · Jan 26, 2007

Repros are available for 65-67 and 68-73, but I have never seen a pre-65 cover. You might check this part out:
65-67 289,w/cast-in pointer, repro (from 6/65), w/cast iron water pump,concours approved....6019-1A from N.P.D.

66 Tiger · Jan 26, 2007

mustangdave said:
Repros are available for 65-67 and 68-73, but I have never seen a pre-65 cover. You might check this part out:
65-67 289,w/cast-in pointer, repro (from 6/65), w/cast iron water pump,concours approved....6019-1A from N.P.D.

The 6019-1A cover is actually sitting beside be right now. I ordered it last week from NPD ( excellent service ) & that's when I discovered that I've got this odd-ball cover / pump combination. Their sales rep that I spoke with yesterday walked through the warehouse looking at different covers trying to locate the correct one but didn't have any luck...

Same thing over at Edelbrock. I was hoping that since I have one of their waterpumps they might have been able to at the least point me in the right direction.

In fact, I would say I checked with at least - at least ten other suppliers & not one person was familiar with this particular timing cover.

ratio411
BTW: What is wrong with that one?
You might be cheaper to repair it.

The gasket areas where the water pump mounts-up are really pitted. Same thing on the other side where the water passages attach to the block. There is also a crack coming of one of the bolt holes that the PO repaired with a gob of RTV.

I don't think the crack is a big deal to repair, but what I'm concerned most about is all the pitting in the gasket surfaces...

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mustangdave · Jan 26, 2007

Unless you are wanting to keep it original, is there a reason you couldn't use the new one you have?

66 Tiger · Jan 26, 2007

mustangdave said:
Unless you are wanting to keep it original, is there a reason you couldn't use the new one you have?

Then this would end up becoming a $160 paper-weight... LOL!

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Unfortunately it won't work with the new cover that I have.

I'm starting to think that I'm just going to take my chances with the old one - I'll just use a little extra RTV where the deeper pits are. I might even try to fill & file with a little JB Weld. ( I would imagine that would work fine )

1320stang · Jan 26, 2007

I would clean the pits up with a wire brush then run some JB weld across there. Let it dry for a day then file it flat and run with it.

D.Hearne · Jan 26, 2007

JB Weld and antifreeze don't work well together. The pitting can be better delt with using a liberal dose of RTV. Or use the new cover and sell the Edelbrock pump on ebay. It may come as a shock to some but these high dollar "performance" water pumps are a rip off. You can source the same thing (usually) in a stock pump. Nearly all the stock pumps come in Low volume(high performance-high rpm) std volume and high volume versions. The high volume pumps are listed as Police/Taxi or HD with A/C in the books. Same pump body, just different impellers.

mustangchris · Jan 26, 2007

The pitting doesn't really look too bad. I would take a flat surface and some fine grit sand paper and clean it up just a little. Since it is a soft gasket going in there it will fill the small remaining pits. As for the crack I would use a manifold putty. These are resistant to all the chemicals that you may have in your engine comp and resist heat better than JB as they're designed for it.

66 Tiger · Jan 27, 2007

mustangchris said:
The pitting doesn't really look too bad. I would take a flat surface and some fine grit sand paper and clean it up just a little. Since it is a soft gasket going in there it will fill the small remaining pits. As for the crack I would use a manifold putty. These are resistant to all the chemicals that you may have in your engine comp and resist heat better than JB as they're designed for it.

D.Hearne
JB Weld and antifreeze don't work well together. The pitting can be better delt with using a liberal dose of RTV. Or use the new cover and sell the Edelbrock pump on ebay. Yesterday 04:36 PM

Thanks - I didn't realize JB Weld would break down after coming in contact with antifreeze....

Where can you purchase manifold-putty?

D.Hearne · Jan 27, 2007

JB Weld doesn't break down, but the antifreeze will loosen it's bond to the aluminum. A couple years ago, I tried using it as a fix on the aluminum radiator on my V8 Ranger. It would hold up for about 6 months, then leak. I went thru this repeatedly, till I finally found some one who would tackle the job of welding it, businesses just don't want to weld on new aluminum radiators. It might work in your case, but it might not, I would use something else.

ratio411 · Jan 27, 2007

D.Hearne said:
Dave, the cover I had, didn't have the provision for a filler/breather tube. The one you're talking about was an even earlier cover.

I have never seen the one you are refering to.
The one in this thread has the fill boss.
You can see it in the pic.

To the owner of the thread:
Don't try to weld it.
I know from experience that cast aluminum does not hold up to welding.
I had it done and the casting just weakened and crumbled.

I would just carefully sand the gasket areas on an extremely flat surface lined with light sandpaper. Don't take off much material, just clean it up some.
A light coat on that side of the gasket with RTV will fill the rest in.

I would try JB weld on the crack. It is not exposed to much in the way of anything at that position.
Then a high quality clean and paint before install, should do it well.
In all honesty, the covers I have like that are not in any better shape except for your crack. And that is a very minor crack considering this is a non-structural part.

Good luck
Dave

D.Hearne · Jan 27, 2007

The only boss I see on that one is the dipstick tube hole. That what you're talking about?

ratio411 · Jan 27, 2007

D.Hearne said:
The only boss I see on that one is the dipstick tube hole. That what you're talking about?

D.Hearne · Jan 28, 2007

Ok, it's been awhile since I had that cover, but I don't recall a boss with a plug there.

69 Rustang · Jan 29, 2007

I have a buddy that has a 66 Tiger who has one he will sell. It isn't perfect either, he said it has been welded and that the welds are fine. It also has JB weld on part of it that has been covered by Glyptol (an internal engine sealant). He wants $50 for it--PM if interested and I will put you into contact with him. He also said you should get onto the Tiger web board--I asked him to send me a hyperlink and I will post if for you.

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