You also forgot to add that the 2017 exhaust system could be installed in a few hours, the On-3 kit will be a project for the rest of your life....Lol
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You also forgot to add that the 2017 exhaust system could be installed in a few hours, the On-3 kit will be a project for the rest of your life....Lol
You also forgot to add that the 2017 exhaust system could be installed in a few hours, the On-3 kit will be a project for the rest of your life....Lol
It really is the truth.
It's part of the reason that we make all the jackstand jokes. Once you try to fit it and it doesn't and you don't possess the skills or equipment to weld stainless, you are now at the mercy of whoever you can find to do it. Which will likely requiring towing, a lot of money and the car sitting for long periods of time, quite possibly forever.
Me personally I think turbo kits should be built in a fox, not for one.
The tolerances just weren't that good back in the 80's and 90's and one size does not fit all.
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I just bought a new performance car (or Capital One did anyway). I'll let you guys know how it goes.
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On3 didn't have any fitment issues at all on my car. The only issue was they sent the wrong adapter for the oil feed line.
No other issues so far.
My cars been off jack stands for a bunch of months.
The big issue with Ford is that they've changed powerplants so much that it makes it very hard for the aftermarket to keep up.
The push rod 5.0 ran in production for like 30 years. The aftermarket had a steady clientele to buy their parts. The 5.0 modular is already on the chopping block....to be replaced by a turbo 6.
20 years from now you won't be able to find anything for a modular 5.0 that isn't an arm and a leg....but guess what....the trusty push rod 5.0 will still have some support.
Companies are steadily dropping out of the 2 and 3 valve 4.6 market.
Ford did this to us and themselves. Its also the reason LS engines have been so successful in the aftermarket.....and the 350.
No other issues so far.
My cars been off jack stands for a bunch of months.
The big issue with Ford is that they've changed powerplants so much that it makes it very hard for the aftermarket to keep up.
The push rod 5.0 ran in production for like 30 years. The aftermarket had a steady clientele to buy their parts. The 5.0 modular is already on the chopping block....to be replaced by a turbo 6.
20 years from now you won't be able to find anything for a modular 5.0 that isn't an arm and a leg....but guess what....the trusty push rod 5.0 will still have some support.
Companies are steadily dropping out of the 2 and 3 valve 4.6 market.
Ford did this to us and themselves. Its also the reason LS engines have been so successful in the aftermarket.....and the 350.
Just drive a Foxbody car. Then drive a newer (05'-up Mustang), the Foxbody is so archaic in comparison that it does not translate. The refinement is real. I would never consider a Foxbody as a daily driver when the new cars are so much more refined. HP and MPG. Who would of thunk it., I have a Foxbody car, but it is for drag racing, not daily driving. The 08' Bullitt is leagues ahead. 330 whp and 27+ mpg. With A/C, Bluetooth, and everything else, to stay with a Foxbody car as a daily is a exercise in futility. As a conduit to what was...I get it. But in the real world, I might as well be driving a 57' Bird. At least the 57" Bird has value.....real value that is. (BTW, I have a 16' EcoBoost Focus as a DD, 126 HP per liter!) That translates to 630 hp for the old 5.0...which is not happening and expect 44 mph hwy. Embrace technology folks.
This. SO MUCH this. The only thing any of my foxes did better as a DD than either of my S197s was fuel economy. My '87 GT 5.0 got 29mpg highway with the stock 2.73 gears, my 2010 GT got a "mere" 26, and my 2009 GT/CS a "measely" 27. In every other way both of those cars were so much better than any of my three foxes (or my IIs, for that matter, but that's a whole other argument).
The LS is a Albatross. It is the king of the streets, but a flop at the racetrack. Everyone who is racing SBC is racing with the 50 year old design, not the LS. Yes there a a few doing some Ok stuff with the LS, but it has not eclipsed the the old school 350 based small block. The 350 based engine is still cheaper and makes more HP per cid than the LS does, Just go to the race track and see who is fast with what, and the LS crowd is a distant 2nd place.
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We own fox bodies....we can build them however we want. My IRS fox out handles and out drives my friends 09...and....carbureted I was getting 27 hwy.
If I want blue tooth....I can put it in....if I want abs...I can build it....if I want comfort...I can add that.
All the creature comforts can be added to a fox....for less than a new mustang.
.....but I DD an 88 Econoline....or a 98 Ranger....so.... Guess you know I'm not into the newer stuff. The fact that I fix on them daily at a dealer doesn't help. The less modules the better, in my eyes.
If I want blue tooth....I can put it in....if I want abs...I can build it....if I want comfort...I can add that.
All the creature comforts can be added to a fox....for less than a new mustang.
.....but I DD an 88 Econoline....or a 98 Ranger....so.... Guess you know I'm not into the newer stuff. The fact that I fix on them daily at a dealer doesn't help. The less modules the better, in my eyes.
Did not read all the posts, but I totally agree.
I sold my '97 Jeep (which was really well built, but wore out) and picked up a '13 Wranger (1 year old at the time).
Everything, and I mean everything, is 3x the price of an equivalent part for the '97.
Bumper... bunch of metal bolted to the frame... 3x $??? WTF!
I sold my '97 Jeep (which was really well built, but wore out) and picked up a '13 Wranger (1 year old at the time).
Everything, and I mean everything, is 3x the price of an equivalent part for the '97.
Bumper... bunch of metal bolted to the frame... 3x $??? WTF!
My daily is an '02 Saturn. It's very comfortable. Crazy fuel mileage. Never breaks. Easy to work on. Everything can be had from a JY. It has bluetooth, a dash cam, radar detector, Ipod music, and GPS navigation. Plus, at 6'3, I can still stretch my feet out under the pedals on the long drives. It cost me $3,300 from a dealer with 72k miles. It soaks up door dings like a champ - fiberglass body. I'm glad 56k miles over the last 3 years went on it instead of depreciating a new car by 1/2.
My '00 7.3 PSD F250 just pulled 17.5k lbs on my move from Kentucky to California over 2,500 miles, flawlessly. It cost $6,500 with 150k miles. It doesn't get driven all that much, but it may well still be my truck in 20 years.
I could have bought a new rig for $50+k. I could go get a nice DD for $20+. I could get a new mustang for $40k. They'd be worth half as much in 3-5 years. That would burn away 2 years worth of savings, and I don't think I would be any happier. It's hard to express how much i enjoy driving each one of them, and I can't explain why I derive so much satisfaction from a car so mundane as a Saturn, lol. Hopefully, avoiding new cars all my life will contribute to reaching financial independence, too. Now, THAT is more interesting than any new cars could ever be.
My '00 7.3 PSD F250 just pulled 17.5k lbs on my move from Kentucky to California over 2,500 miles, flawlessly. It cost $6,500 with 150k miles. It doesn't get driven all that much, but it may well still be my truck in 20 years.
I could have bought a new rig for $50+k. I could go get a nice DD for $20+. I could get a new mustang for $40k. They'd be worth half as much in 3-5 years. That would burn away 2 years worth of savings, and I don't think I would be any happier. It's hard to express how much i enjoy driving each one of them, and I can't explain why I derive so much satisfaction from a car so mundane as a Saturn, lol. Hopefully, avoiding new cars all my life will contribute to reaching financial independence, too. Now, THAT is more interesting than any new cars could ever be.
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My DD is a '14 with air conditioned seats. My butt has never been happier. 
I'll just be frank. I like new(er) cars.
I'll just be frank. I like new(er) cars.
Same here. I DD a '90 Grand Marquis. They just don't make 'em like this anymore.We own fox bodies....we can build them however we want. My IRS fox out handles and out drives my friends 09...and....carbureted I was getting 27 hwy.
If I want blue tooth....I can put it in....if I want abs...I can build it....if I want comfort...I can add that.
All the creature comforts can be added to a fox....for less than a new mustang.
.....but I DD an 88 Econoline....or a 98 Ranger....so.... Guess you know I'm not into the newer stuff. The fact that I fix on them daily at a dealer doesn't help. The less modules the better, in my eyes.
I just traded an 11 V6 for a 17 GT and the level of refinement between those few years is very noticeable.
The 90 is just fun though. Fun to tinker with, fun to drive on occasion. The amount of money and effort to get the 90 on par with the 17 would be ridiculous. I don't want to fix anything at all on the 17, not even change the oil.
New cars are a vicious never-ending money-eating cycle. One's ass will no longer be as comfortable when they can't get that brand-spanking-new 202x Mustang GT off of their mind because it comes with auto-driving and an automated full-table massage session, complete with happy ending while live-streaming your drive to work on stangnet. After that, one will have to delay retirement yet again when the 203x Mustang comes with a holodeck and warp nacelles.
Time keeps moving along, and new cars become old cars. I doubt it's really within our power to "make" ourselves happy with something we aren't, but I'm fortunate, I think, to be completely happy/satisfied with old cars.
Time keeps moving along, and new cars become old cars. I doubt it's really within our power to "make" ourselves happy with something we aren't, but I'm fortunate, I think, to be completely happy/satisfied with old cars.
When you say 202x, is the x a 0 or a 9? Asking for a friend.
2020 is slated to be the first hybrid mustang year. Get ready to start modifying that car
Turning off the amperage limiter and voiding the warranty for more torque FTMFW! (Not really how it'll work, but you KNOW that'll be one of the areas tuners will play with, it's just too easy.)
