new heads:new edelbrocks, AFR165 or Trick Flow?

This stuff never ends!!! All in all, your three choices are all great ones. I did a LOT of research and my choice ended up being AFR's, and its a decision I have not regretted. Of your three choices, the AFR and new edelbrocks are my favorites. The edelbrocks are fairly new and I haven't seen many combos with them, but from what little I've seen they are a head that I think we'll see great things from. It is hard to beat the price of TW's though. In my opinion, the AFR's are still the best out of the box SB head avail, I do wish AFR would price them a little more competatively. I lucked out and got mine for $1175 brand new. I have the 60cc pedestal mount versions.

Ehh, dude, no offense for your wayyyy wrong. Afr's are NOT the best and TFS would NOT make the least low end tq. Do a search for my sn and I posted my dyno with my tfs/fti set up. Its not 100% tuned, but its much better with the chip. Makes about 300ft/lbs @ 3k and about 280ft/lbs @ 2700. Post your graph, lets compare low end. I'm not posting to say tfs is the best, im saying its all about the entire combo and how well thought out it is. All 3 heads mentioned are great and will work just as good and you wouldnt notice much if any differenc ebetween the 3 if you switched out the heads on your car for each of them. I'm just tired of reading all these afr dick-licking threads like their the ONLY way to go fast.

"Here we go again......"
Well said MIke

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No offense, but we arent dyno racing. I think you should call a real engine builder (WHO SELLS/WORKS EACH TYPE OF HEAD) and ask them whats the best head to put on a 302? Im sure we all know what the answer is gonna be. Lets compare track times instead of dynos? I went 109.99 with a set of box stock gt40x heads, and a B cam. What did you run with the mighty tfs heads? I mean you do make 300 ft/bs by 3k rpms, im sure i wasnt even close to that.

Every time theres a AFR/TFS/Edelbrock thread all the AFR dick lickers come out and ruin the thread saying how they are the best no matter what because they are the most expensive and blah blah all the same 'Kiss Me''Kiss Me''Kiss Me''Kiss Me'. If you want any real info then just do a search.

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Who says they are the best because they are the most expensive? Thats just hilarious.

Ok then comes me...new to the sn95 world. BUT I still have my fox!!! ANy ways I saw that you guys said that you need longer pushrods for the AFR?Hmm, Ive never heard this, I thought they were just a bolt on. I am going to get the AFR 165's for sure, Ive had a set of 6037 eddys and I liked them but some how a valve got bent... So the reason I come here is I have no idea what you guys are talking about when you say FTI, what is that?Sorry it seams dumb but. Now I also see that you guys say that you just cant plug any ole' roller cam in the sn95's. So what can I do? I plan on running my turbo set up on this car and I kinda wanted to just put aftermarket heads and intake on and leave everything else alone(cam, shortblock mainly).I just dont want to blow money in the wrong direction. I want to do it once...
thanks dudes...


AFR ROCKS! HA!

Brad, FTI stands for Flow Tech Induction which is Ed Curtis's shop. http://www.flowtechinduction.com Not everyone needs longer pushrods with AFR's, I did but I have pedestal mount heads and needed them for proper geometry. The problem with cams in 94-95 cars is that our EEC's do not like most cams. A general rule of thumb most use is to stick with a cam with a LSA greater than or equal to 114* and you should be fine. SOme get away with LSA's lower than that, but most don't. What happens is our cars develope a "surge and die" syndrome where they can not find and hold an idle. My custom cam has a low LSA and I needed an eec tuner to correct this issue, all it took was a bump in idle speed to 850rpms.

There are so many factors that determine track times. Traction, weight, driver skill, elevation, mods, it goes on and on. Therefore it is somewhat difficult to look at just a track time in a forum member's sig and form a concrete opinion. For example, HairyCanary was running something like a 13.4 with AFR 165's, yet HRT11 apparently ran a 12.5 with the Edelbrocks. But they have different mods and seperate driving skills, so it's probably not a fair comparison.

Here's what I think. Like what has already been said, all 3 heads that are being mentioned are great choices. The TrickFlows can make great power and are priced affordably. The Edelbrocks are also priced affordably and the newer version flows very impressivly. The AFR's are more expensive...BUT more often than not, the AFR/FTI combos seem to continually outperform while the others kind of stand in the shadows with an occasional standout. Case in point, KillerCanary ran a 12.31 in his heavy SN95 convertible. I don't think I've seen any Edelbrock or TrickFlow combo do that. However, I'm sure a well-built combo using either of those heads could come fairly close. I'm willing to bet that Ed could take a car that swapped to each of those 3 heads and grind a cam for each one that would put it reasonably close to the others. I highly doubt he's able to take an AFR headed car, grind a cam, and extract a magical 50 rwhp over the same car with Edelbrock heads. Peak power, powerband, and area under the curve are determined not only by the head, but the cam design as well. As a side note, I've seen several AFR/FTI combos with what look like low peak numbers outperform TF combos boasting a higher RWHP number.

It really does boil down to how well the combo is matched together as well as how much you want to spend, and stangin it did bring up an excellent point: if someone is on a tighter budget or doesn't have to have "the best," if he chooses to give up a couple tenths at the track and save $500+ dollars by not going with AFR's and an FTI cam, who can really say he made a bad decision? Only the guys who strive for every last tenth where cost isn't an issue.

All 3 are great heads. My personal choice would be AFR, but if I found a set of the new Eddy's for a good deal I'd jump all over them.

Like just said above...It's the WHOLE combo, not one item that makes the difference...Ironically, the Real Street car that Ed C. (FTI owner/AFR guru), built and drove used Trick Flow heads..
disclaimer: I KNOW he drove the TFS headed car...I "read" that he also built the engine...If that is incorrect, so be it...

I run the new Edelbrocks (60379), and am very happy with them. All 3 choices each have their strong points and not so strong points, IMO. Obviously, anyone who runs one of the three, will tell you to use what they used...Simply put, I chose the Edelbrocks because they work, are high quality, and are a true bolt-on...not to mention they were less than a grand brand new using Summit's Price Match policy...

In a nutshell...
Edelbrock 60379 heads, AFM B-21 cam, extrude honed Cobra intake...etc...

Here's my entire combo...I use a new PMS for tuning, and low/mid/upper rpm's are great. No comparison to the old POS FordChip I once had...

http://www.ezshots.com/members/ysbarney/

Don't know what you mean about the aluminum being "better"?? I know my old set of 6037's outlived the three different shortblocks they were used on...lol...

The 94 GT I have now, went 12.98@106 on regular radials, and through an AOD tranny. I've since swapped back in a 5 speed (to replace the aod), added a Bassani catted X pipe (replacing the MAC H pipe), 410 gears (instead of 373's), Morpheus Horsepower pipe (replacing the C&L), 315/35 BFG Drag Radials (replacing the stock 275/40's I had last time ran), 30# injectors and Pro-M 80mm meter (replacing 24's and a Bullet meter), X2C upper & lower control arms (replaced the stockers), and of course the PMS (replacing the FordChip)....I think it'll run a little better than it did...lol...I plan to dynotune it (myself) in the next two weeks. I'll be sure to post the results. ET's will have to wait until mid April, when I go to the SuperStallions of the Net Spring Nats at Cecil County Dragway in Maryland...