Zodiac said:Hey MSP, these speculations are based on ratings from Ford.. they shouldnt be so easily dismissed.
MSP said:I'll tell you this, I admire you giving the stock rearend a chance, allthough heavily upgraded with T-LOK(Still using 7.5-upgraded with T-LOK).. The most important work PowerHouse can do, is find the limits of our stock factory components... This is crucial..
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Jimp said:FWIW, T-Lok doesn't really strengthen the rearend. It's the Mosier axles and the axle brace that are allowing him to make those hard launches. I'll be interested to hear how it holds up after this weekend with the new nitrous jetting and power levels. I'm hoping for the best. It would be nice to know that the rearend could take that kind of torque at a dragstrip. If not, the 8.8 shouldn't be a hard swap.
Another weak point will be the driveshaft I think. I'm glad Powerhouse has stepped up to the plate to test the limits.
MSP said:Yes Fazm83 has shown me the rear-end upgrade list.. I am aware of the Mosier Axles.. This would be part of the upgraded rear-end comment.. Its a statement which encompasses many things..
But thanks for trying to appear to educate me on what the **** I'm talking about..
Jimp said:Alllllrighty then!
MSP said:LOL!! Seems not many are excited as me about all this.. Oh well, we'll discuss it after he post his results of the track meet..
Guess I should hide my excitement and remain a skeptical on-looker.. Dont want to have too much hope in our cars.. Thats not a good thing.. Better to feel like we all blew a wade on the damn cars, and just trade the SOB in for a GT..
Jimp said:I am excited! I don't know why you get so defensive when we are all talking about the limits of the stock parts. Nitrous is a huge jolt to the drivetrain, especially as much as Powerhouse is using now. Parts will break. It will be good to know what needs to be upgraded. I don't know where you get that I don't like the V6 from my posts. And from your post it sounded like you were saying that T-LOK(!) was the major upgrade to the rearend. Hell, here's a quote:
"I'll tell you this, I admire you giving the stock rearend a chance, allthough heavily upgraded with T-LOK(Still using 7.5-upgraded with T-LOK).."
Get mad all you want. I was adding to the discussion, lest anyone think that from reading your post that T-LOK(!) was all that was necessary to stand up to nitrous. It's not. It helps get power to the ground. Anyways...
pwrhws said:Our 05 V6 project car went 12.31 at 111MPH today at Norwalk. The DA was 3485' (by our weather station), and the weight on Norwalks scale was 3490lbs with the driver, right after the pass.
We can't went to start testing the turbo!
MSP said:After all that, I guess you were right Jimp! LOL!! Let me buy ya a beer man!
powerhouse
Nice job man!! Thank you for all of your hard work for us.. We owe you big time man..
Please continue your research and development..
@ALL
Well, looks like we need 8.8's afterall.. Lets see, wheres that link Brodude2002 put up for that rearend.. LOL!!
powerhouse
Did you increase the Nitro levels past what your initial dyno reading was? Or is it still the same 439RWTQ you used today?
But we can be happy the engine in stock form is good for 12's @ 111MPH.. LOL!! I gotta keep somethin Jimp.. Let me take somethin home!! LOL!!
Jimp said:Well Powerhouse did say that with a stronger differential that the 7.5" might still be ok. But at some point you have to decide if it's more cost effective to keep upgrading the rearend or do the swap. And it also might be a good idea to swap the driveshaft while we're at it.Of course, we could always stick with the 125 shot and save some $$$. 12.79 is nothing to sneeze at! I'm chomping at the bit to get this Zex kit!
scrming said:ok... first let me apologize for my ignorance...
I was in the shop on Wednesday talking to the guy who put my 4.10/T-lok in. This guy really seem to know his stuff.. I asked him about the durabilty of the 7.5. He said usually what he sees is the "spider" gears explode. He then mentioned that I don't need to worry about that happening... I just assumed because of the T-Lok... I say assume because I'm unsure which part the "spider" gears are... LOL! I'm such a dump-a$$... LOL!
He said this usually happens when you switch the v6 or a v8, manual tranny and then stick slick on the back... So far now, i'm not sweating the 7.5... LOL!
BTW... WOODWARD DREAM CRUISE is a blast... and it's not even Satruday! Which you all could be here! LOL!!!
Jenns05Stang said:Looks like scrming's shop guy knew his schnitz.
I think this is still absolutly respectible and should be commended. Nice work Mike.
As you know Mike (MSP) I was a huge skeptic and in this circumstance, I am glad to have been proved wrong! I will still remain cautious until Mike (@PowerHouse) runs this V-6 at least 10 times and we find the long-term viability of this type of boost. Now... Don't slam me MSP.I am still very excited, I am just cautiously excited. I wonder how many times cleveland has ran his GT on the juice and any issues in daily driveability.
I need to pick up a cheap Stang, like a 99 Cobra, so that I can drive it in case I decide to try this and something breaks.
Jenn
pwrhws said:I believe that a good differential would survive much longer, but the list of choices for the 7.5 is short, The ring gear shows absolutly no signs of excessive wear or stress.
I am going to research the available options for the 7.5, but I think that the 8.8 is going to be a better choice for us. With this big of a shot the car goes through the traps at a RPM a little higher than desired, I think that a 3.90 or 3.73 is the better choice for this power/torque level.
We knew that we were approaching the failure point of the rear, But no one could say for sure at what e.t. or 60 ft would cause the spider gear to fail.
So now you know for sure.
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