No Crank Over- No Fuel Pump

shootrmcgee

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Hello, my name is Rusty and this is my first post on your site (hate it's a such a technical one.) I have been reading some of ya'lls posts on on here and must say you guy's really seam to have a handle on the wiring side of things. I recently moved my wires inside the fenders-extending some wires with sodder and heat shrink. Now, I have a problem with my car. ITS A MUSTANG. J/K. I am about to go crazy and need some help. It as a factory wiring harness powered by a megasquirt II, with MSD. The problems are it will not crank over and the fuel pump doesn't turn on with the key. I have trouble shot this sucker on and on for about 2 weeks and still nothing. I've changed the fuel pump relay, the ecc relay, re-grounded grounds and even took my MSD out of the equation. I've tracked wires until I am just about to pull out my hair. I have followed alot of your trouble shooting guides to no avail. I pm'ed one of ya'lls wiring gurus and he replied for my to join up and post here for a more detailed answer. So, here are some of my questions. Are there any relation between the selonoid signal wire (single wire for the threaded post) and the fuel pump. I can get the fuel pump to turn on by grounding it, but do not get any signal to the selonoid. I can get it to turn over by jumping the selonoid over but not by the switch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-Rusty
 
No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 09-July-2009 to reorder stuck solenoid help.

No crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of both no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a know problem causer. Anyplace you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstuck and work normally for a while.

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .5 volts across a connection indicates a problem.

See Automotive Test Tools for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .

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2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang
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Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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fuel pump I can't help...mine is not wired like stock..
but anyways...make sure the trigger wire on your starer relay is all the way on...make sure the big wire going to the starter on the relay is tight....this is the one on the terminal by itself on the relay.
then make sure the two wires going to teh starter are connected securely...I had an issue with the smaller wire connector not being pushed on welll (hard to reach) and it must be pushed on the connector good enough.

also +1 on checking battery connections and ground....did you also move your battery to the trunk when you did your wiring hiding?
 
Well I found out why I wasn't having any crank over- a connector under the car at the transmission that I had to jump across to get signal to the solenoid. What a relief! Although, I did have to manually ground the fuel pump to get it to work. Any ideas there? I am manually grounding it using the wire that hooks to the testing connector under the hood. Thanks for the help getting it to turn over. I checked everything and found that when I connected two of the wires in the 4-prong connector that hooks to the old t-5 I could get the engine to turn over. Still no fuel pump with the switch. but atleast I can get it to crank. The saga continues, lol.................................

-Rusty
 
so is this connector not being used then? what tranny do you have now? you must be talking about the neutral safety switch wiring/plug...and it needs to be hooked up or it wont turn over. Start by fixing that first for sure.
 
i am running an AODE. I found out about that connecter at the trans the hard way, lol. Severals weeks(few hours at a time) of going back over wiring and finally figured out it needed to be conneted. Everything I read about talked about the clutch pedal switch, but not one post about the other. Guess the T-5 to AODE isn't that popular, lol. Now it seems so good so far. I just have to get a safe tune, my wiring figured out for the O/D and the T/B, and the fuel pump deal worked out. Getting closer.........

-Rusty