ok to start here is a run down on what is done to the stang:
underdrive pullies
mac cold air
(i beleive) 303 cam
headers (flo tech.)
bassani o/r x
flo master 2 chamber's
spec stage 1 clutch
steeda quadrant cable and firewall adj.
pro 5.0 shifter
3.55 gears
steeda adj. upper rear arms
steeda lower rear arms
nitto d/r's
adj. fuel pressure reg.
ford lowering springs
and a mix of 110 oct. with pump 92 gas every now and then
timming adavance
so what i dont understand is after each up grade i'm still running bout the same times? even after the arms and d/r's? maybe i dont have the upper's adj, right? i see guy's on here running better times then mine with half the upgrades with the same year of car by the way i have a 95 gt. my times are preaty much 14.0's to 14.3's i did have a best time once of 13.998? WTF is going on here ? i really dont think it's the driver cause a stay really consistant? any advise? maybe a tunning job? i aslo have a C&L 76 mm T.B but when it is installed it runs like ****nicky? thats prob cause i need the wide band done tho? even leaving at an idol i sometimes spin'em and still chirp into 2nd? any and all idvise would be helpfull. peace
john
underdrive pullies
mac cold air
(i beleive) 303 cam
headers (flo tech.)
bassani o/r x
flo master 2 chamber's
spec stage 1 clutch
steeda quadrant cable and firewall adj.
pro 5.0 shifter
3.55 gears
steeda adj. upper rear arms
steeda lower rear arms
nitto d/r's
adj. fuel pressure reg.
ford lowering springs
and a mix of 110 oct. with pump 92 gas every now and then
timming adavance
so what i dont understand is after each up grade i'm still running bout the same times? even after the arms and d/r's? maybe i dont have the upper's adj, right? i see guy's on here running better times then mine with half the upgrades with the same year of car by the way i have a 95 gt. my times are preaty much 14.0's to 14.3's i did have a best time once of 13.998? WTF is going on here ? i really dont think it's the driver cause a stay really consistant? any advise? maybe a tunning job? i aslo have a C&L 76 mm T.B but when it is installed it runs like ****nicky? thats prob cause i need the wide band done tho? even leaving at an idol i sometimes spin'em and still chirp into 2nd? any and all idvise would be helpfull. peace
john
Rootus
Officially Addicted
You still running stock heads, stock intake? In that case 14.0 doesn't seem all that bad . If your upgrades aren't getting you any improvement, then that probably means what you just upgraded wasn't a bottleneck yet . If you have the stock intake, it should be a high priority to be replaced or at least ported, that's a huge bottleneck on the 5.0.
Dave
Dave
so if i get the intake replaced then i should make a good if not then a huge improvement? i've been looking hard at the elonbrock heads and intake? but what about the gt40 intake is that a good starting point ? so with what i have is good #'s then? i'll prob get the eldonbrock intake tho.peaceHairyCanary said:You still running stock heads, stock intake? In that case 14.0 doesn't seem all that bad. If your upgrades aren't getting you any improvement, then that probably means what you just upgraded wasn't a bottleneck yet . If you have the stock intake, it should be a high priority to be replaced or at least ported, that's a huge bottleneck on the 5.0.
Dave
john
Rootus
Officially Addicted
The intake is definitely a bottlneck that should be addressed early. If you like the GT40 style, I'd probably get the Cobra version (cheaper) and have the lower ported. The Eddy intake is also excellent.
If you ultimately plan to do aluminum heads, I would recommend taking a hard look at the TFS kit. For the money ($2050) it's a very good combo IMO -- comes with heads, cam, intake, and the supporting stuff like valve covers, all gaskets, pushrods, rockers, etc. It's hard to put together a comparable combo from parts for the same price.
Dave
If you ultimately plan to do aluminum heads, I would recommend taking a hard look at the TFS kit. For the money ($2050) it's a very good combo IMO -- comes with heads, cam, intake, and the supporting stuff like valve covers, all gaskets, pushrods, rockers, etc. It's hard to put together a comparable combo from parts for the same price.
Dave
gospeedgo
Banned
The TFS kit is ok...but the cam is too radical for the 95 and the valve covers are a pain in the butt to fit (cutting breather holes, fabricating baffles, ect)
If you want to piece it together, the Edelbrock or Performance Products Typhoon (identical ) intakes are very nice, and AFR has great heads. Chung has a cam that he likes to use on the 95's that wont cause as many problems as the TFS stage 1. Give him a ring and I am sure he can hook you up.
If you want to piece it together, the Edelbrock or Performance Products Typhoon (identical
ironmedic
New Member
intake alone wont help you. you will need heads too. u might wanna find out what kind of cam it is in there since there are several types of "303" cams.
WaterPog
Founding Member
what is your MPH and incrementals? What does the car weigh?
How much of a burnout are you doing on the Nittos?
If you're blowing the tires off now throwing more power at it won't help much.
How much of a burnout are you doing on the Nittos?
If you're blowing the tires off now throwing more power at it won't help much.
wicked93
5 Year Member
the tfs stage 1 cam is an excellent cam I don't see how it could cause problems on the 95's it is close in specs to the E-303 except has a split duration I ran the stage 1 cam and it was very drivable. I did have a real basic combo at one time that worked real well and got amazing fuel mileage and ran hard in fact ran a 12.8 @ 110 mph on street tires. it was as follows cobra intake, E-303 cam, 24lb injectors, 70mm tb, 73mm c&l maf, edelbrock performer heads with crane 1.7 rockers, bbk shorty headers with off road h-pipe and flowmaster cat back & 3.55 gears
if you want to piece it together the AFR are very good but a little pricey the holley intake with the stage one cam or a comp cams etreme hyd roller would run very hard if you do not want to spend the money on the afr the tfs would work as well. there are alot of ways to go but the main thing to do is to look at what you want the car to be and set a plan and don't stray from it put it on paper weight out the cost on the diffrent avenue's and go from there
and give chung a call with questions as he can help alot with what you want to do that was my 2 cent's and change
if you want to piece it together the AFR are very good but a little pricey the holley intake with the stage one cam or a comp cams etreme hyd roller would run very hard if you do not want to spend the money on the afr the tfs would work as well. there are alot of ways to go but the main thing to do is to look at what you want the car to be and set a plan and don't stray from it put it on paper weight out the cost on the diffrent avenue's and go from there
and give chung a call with questions as he can help alot with what you want to do that was my 2 cent's and change
AllFordPerf
New Member
wicked93 said:the tfs stage 1 cam is an excellent cam I don't see how it could cause problems on the 95's it is close in specs to the E-303 except has a split duration I ran the stage 1 cam and it was very drivable. I did have a real basic combo at one time that worked real well and got amazing fuel mileage and ran hard in fact ran a 12.8 @ 110 mph on street tires. it was as follows cobra intake, E-303 cam, 24lb injectors, 70mm tb, 73mm c&l maf, edelbrock performer heads with crane 1.7 rockers, bbk shorty headers with off road h-pipe and flowmaster cat back & 3.55 gears
if you want to piece it together the AFR are very good but a little pricey the holley intake with the stage one cam or a comp cams etreme hyd roller would run very hard if you do not want to spend the money on the afr the tfs would work as well. there are alot of ways to go but the main thing to do is to look at what you want the car to be and set a plan and don't stray from it put it on paper weight out the cost on the diffrent avenue's and go from there
and give chung a call with questions as he can help alot with what you want to do that was my 2 cent's and change
94 and 95 mustangs don't have a map sensor and are very sensitive to excessive duration and large lobe seperation ( low vacuum cams ). The stage one and two cams are excellent cams in anything other than a sn 95 car.
my1/8 mile is between 74-76 mph and the 1/4 is between 94-98 mph i had it weighted at work (and they are accurate) it weighted in at 3450 with me (135lbs) and a 1/4 tank of gas. as far as the burn out i'm asuming i do a good burn out. prob bout a 2-3 sec. one in 2nd. gear at about 4500 rpm (just ask dunner) he knowsWaterPog said:what is your MPH and incrementals? What does the car weigh?
How much of a burnout are you doing on the Nittos?
If you're blowing the tires off now throwing more power at it won't help much.
john
as far as what i want the car to do? i want it in the 12's and then what ever i get if i do the bottle? but for now i just want the damn thing to hook as you can see i stay preaty consistent for the most part. i already for the most part have my mind set on the eldelbrok heads and intake for the car the reason is the write up's from the mags testing they have done for the most part the best ratings unless i've read them wrong?wicked93 said:the tfs stage 1 cam is an excellent cam I don't see how it could cause problems on the 95's it is close in specs to the E-303 except has a split duration I ran the stage 1 cam and it was very drivable. I did have a real basic combo at one time that worked real well and got amazing fuel mileage and ran hard in fact ran a 12.8 @ 110 mph on street tires. it was as follows cobra intake, E-303 cam, 24lb injectors, 70mm tb, 73mm c&l maf, edelbrock performer heads with crane 1.7 rockers, bbk shorty headers with off road h-pipe and flowmaster cat back & 3.55 gears
if you want to piece it together the AFR are very good but a little pricey the holley intake with the stage one cam or a comp cams etreme hyd roller would run very hard if you do not want to spend the money on the afr the tfs would work as well. there are alot of ways to go but the main thing to do is to look at what you want the car to be and set a plan and don't stray from it put it on paper weight out the cost on the diffrent avenue's and go from there
and give chung a call with questions as he can help alot with what you want to do that was my 2 cent's and change
john
WaterPog
Founding Member
My main curriosity was about the 60' times. It sounds like you're getting about the right MPH for a simple bolt on '94/'95 GT but just not getting it out of the hole very well. Have you seen any increase in MPH as you've done the engine mods?
What were you running for air pressure? I think I remember talking with you and you said something like 25 or 30psi, in which case the DR's really won't make much difference. Should be down in the teens to really get them hooking from what I've seen.
How do you have the control arms adjusted? Did you set their length based on pinion angle or just set them the same as stock?
I also wouldn't bother with the race gas on your car, it's just not needed.
14.0's in a bolt on SN-95 GT is pretty darn good really, with a bit more tuning (chassis tuning mostly, but some engine tuning may find a few ponies as well) you could probably run in the mid-high 13's I'd say just the way it sits.
What were you running for air pressure? I think I remember talking with you and you said something like 25 or 30psi, in which case the DR's really won't make much difference. Should be down in the teens to really get them hooking from what I've seen.
How do you have the control arms adjusted? Did you set their length based on pinion angle or just set them the same as stock?
I also wouldn't bother with the race gas on your car, it's just not needed.
14.0's in a bolt on SN-95 GT is pretty darn good really, with a bit more tuning (chassis tuning mostly, but some engine tuning may find a few ponies as well) you could probably run in the mid-high 13's I'd say just the way it sits.
wicked93
5 Year Member
AllFordPerf said:94 and 95 mustangs don't have a map sensor and are very sensitive to excessive duration and large lobe seperation ( low vacuum cams ). The stage one and two cams are excellent cams in anything other than a sn 95 car.
how much duration is the sn95 able to handle with out giving it fits I did not think 221 @.50 was alot of duration. are you able to tune some of it with a chip
any ways good luck in your venture with what ever you decide to do if you are geting the edelbrock heads I would think about getting them with stud mount rockers instead of the pedestal mount type the rpm heads would be worth a look with the new rpm II intake I have reads some very impressive things on that particular manifold well peace out and hope everything works out for you
Darkness
Founding Member
SMOKEDYA said:...and the 1/4 is between 94-98 mph
4 mph difference is not being consistent dude.SMOKEDYA said:...as you can see i stay preaty consistent for the most part.
Rootus
Officially Addicted
There's no set rule on what the stock EEC will take before it freaks out. A friend of mine just had AFP install the TFS street kit on his 95 GT vert. To try and keep the EEC happy, he swapped out the TFS stage 1 cam for a Steeda #19, which is specifically designed with a wide LSA to keep good vacuum at idle. But his EEC freaked anyway, and he had to get a chip to make it run correctly.wicked93 said:how much duration is the sn95 able to handle with out giving it fits I did not think 221 @.50 was alot of duration. are you able to tune some of it with a chip
As for what you can tune out with a chip -- the answer is anything. My cam has a good amount of overlap and makes very low vacuum at idle (nice lope though
Dave
my 60' is like 2.0-2.1's but as far as since i did the arms i cant remember?!WaterPog said:My main curriosity was about the 60' times. It sounds like you're getting about the right MPH for a simple bolt on '94/'95 GT but just not getting it out of the hole very well. Have you seen any increase in MPH as you've done the engine mods?
What were you running for air pressure? I think I remember talking with you and you said something like 25 or 30psi, in which case the DR's really won't make much difference. Should be down in the teens to really get them hooking from what I've seen.
How do you have the control arms adjusted? Did you set their length based on pinion angle or just set them the same as stock?
I also wouldn't bother with the race gas on your car, it's just not needed.
14.0's in a bolt on SN-95 GT is pretty darn good really, with a bit more tuning (chassis tuning mostly, but some engine tuning may find a few ponies as well) you could probably run in the mid-high 13's I'd say just the way it sits.
john
yes if i remember right those are the one's i was looking into but i dont have a or the mag handy now peacewicked93 said:how much duration is the sn95 able to handle with out giving it fits I did not think 221 @.50 was alot of duration. are you able to tune some of it with a chip
any ways good luck in your venture with what ever you decide to do if you are geting the edelbrock heads I would think about getting them with stud mount rockers instead of the pedestal mount type the rpm heads would be worth a look with the new rpm II intake I have reads some very impressive things on that particular manifold well peace out and hope everything works out for you
john
look at the other post's i put up they were varing like that from the before and after the mods i have done i figured someone would missunderstand me. peaceDarkness said:4 mph difference is not being consistent dude.
john
another kinda of a dumb question for ya does the car have to be level to adjust the upper arms? or can i just put the back end up to get under it? it would make thing's easier if i could just jack the back up and put some stands under the rear axle's. but if i have to then i could raise all 4's off the ground or put all 4's on ramps. damn i knew i should of bought that lift so now i'm looking into a set of full lenth sub frames and engine/tranny mounts as well as a carbon fiber or alumn. shaft. as far as for the rear end i wont do no more to it except for new shocks. this weekend i'll try it without the front sway bar tho? what do you think of that any good or just a hastle to remove it ? i have heard it does make a little diffrence? some of you guy's are yelling CHIP? what kind and what will that set me back for? who has the best price on them and can jeff tune it ? or what's the deal with it do i get the stuff with it to reprogram it ? i really appricate eveyone's input in all this and if you are good at tunning on what i got and willing to hook up some time then i'd pay a little to you just funds suck right now for the time being,jeff has offered and i think i might make it over this week for wide band tunning tho.peace
john
john
what is your 13.3 run with the 95?what all is done to the 95 you have i think i've kinda of met you at s/b. i have the green 95 with the flamming horse in the front grill. peaceHairyCanary said:You still running stock heads, stock intake? In that case 14.0 doesn't seem all that bad. If your upgrades aren't getting you any improvement, then that probably means what you just upgraded wasn't a bottleneck yet . If you have the stock intake, it should be a high priority to be replaced or at least ported, that's a huge bottleneck on the 5.0.
Dave
john
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