Please help! Car won't Start?? 1988 GT

Mach1Guy

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Please help me diagnose and fix this problem??....before I blow this **********er up!

For over a month, my neighbor and I have been rebuilding a 1988 GT 5.0 AOD.
The main problem is that sometimes it starts.....and sometimes it doesn't. (For no good reason.)

Here are the facts:
The car is getting good spark from the MSD ignition system.
It has approx 40lbs of Fuel Pressure and the connectors going into the injectors are getting power (approx 12volts).

Sometimes it will start fine and idle perfect. Then, you shut the car off, and it will not recrank. It acts like it is not getting fuel, but it is???

Perhaps, it sits overnight, then the next day it's the same thing??

Could it be a bad sensor or relay?

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.:shrug:

Here are all of the new parts:
Cobra Intake (Lower and Upper)
MSD Ignition
MSD Distributor w/new Motorsport Wires
65mm Throttle Body w/new TPS
Hi-Flo Waterpump
Motorsport Lifters
All new Vacuum Lines (everything)
Starter Solenoid

Thanks in advance,
Jeremy

Cars
1988 Mustang GT
2003 Mach 1
 
Cranks OK, but No Start Checklist for Fuel Injected Mustangs

1.) Remove push on connector from starter solenoid and turn ignition switch on. Place car in neutral or Park. Remove coil wire from distributor & and hold 3/8” away from engine block. Jumper the screw to the big bolt on the starter solenoid that has the battery wire connected to it. You should get a nice fat blue spark.
Most of the items are electrical in nature, so a test light, or even better, a voltmeter, is helpful to be sure they have power to them.
No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) MSD or Crane ignition box if so equipped
B.) Coil
C.) TFI module
D.) PIP sensor in distributor
E.) ECC relay next to computer - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires
F.) Fuse links in wiring harness - look for 12 volts at the fuel injector red wires. All the fuse links live in a bundle up near the starter solenoid.
G.) Ignition switch - look for 12 volts at the ignition coil red/lt green wire.
H.) Computer

See the following links for wiring diagrams...

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp for 79-88 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp for 89-93 model cars

http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-98 model cars


2.) Spark at coil wire, pull #1 plug wire off at the spark plug and check to see spark. No spark, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Moisture inside distributor – remove cap, dry off & spray with WD40
B.) Distributor cap
C.) Rotor
D.) Spark Plug wires
E.) Coil weak or intermittent - you should see 3/8" fat blue spark with a good coil

3.) Spark at spark plug, but no start.
Next, get a can of starting fluid (ether) from your local auto parts store: costs a $1.30 or so. Then pull the air duct off at the throttle body elbow, open the throttle, and spray the ether in it. Reconnect the air duct and try to start the car. Do not try to start the car without reconnecting the air duct.
Two reasons:
1.) If it backfires, the chance for a serious fire is increased.
2.) On Mass Air cars, the computer needs to measure the MAF flow once the engine starts.
If it starts then, you have a fuel management issue. Continue the checklist with emphasis of fuel related items that follow. If it doesn’t, then it is a computer or timing issue: see Step 4.

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. Beware of fire hazard when you do this. In pinch you can use a tire pressure gauge to measure the fuel pressure. It may not be completely accurate, but you will have some clue as to how much pressure you have.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – Coupe & hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter. Look for 12 volts at the Pink/Black wire on the fuel pump relay.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt Blue wire on the fuel pump relay. The fuse links live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

Fuel pressure OK, the injectors are not firing.

A.) A Noid light available from Autozone, is one way to test the injector wiring.
B.) I like to use an old injector with compressed air applied to the injector where the fuel rail would normally connect. I hook the whole thing up, apply compressed air to the injector and stick it in a paper cup of soapy water. When the engine cranks with the ignition switch on, if the injector fires, it makes bubbles. Cheap if you have the stuff laying around, and works good too.

a.) Pull an injector wire connector off and look for 12 volts on the red wire when the ignition switch is on.
b.) No power, then look for problems with the 10 pin connecter (salt & pepper shakers at the rear of the upper manifold).
c.) No power and the 10 pin connections are good: look for broken wiring between the orange/black wire on the ECC relay and the red wire for the 10 pin connectors.


4.) Spark & fuel pressure OK.

A.) Failed IAB (no airflow to start engine). Press the throttle ¼ way down and try to start the car.
B.) Failed computer (not very likely)
C.) Engine ignition or cam timing off: only likely if the engine has been worked on recently).
D.) Firing order off: HO & 351 use a different firing order from the non HO engines.
HO & 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
Non HO 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
E.) No start when hot - Press the throttle to the floor & try starting it if you get this far. If it starts, replace the ECT.
 
On JR's list, what I personally would focus on first (and I could be completely wrong):

When it wont catch, check for spark and injector pulsing. That can reveal a lot and should help narrow down a PIP vs TFI or coil issue.

Good luck.
 
I just had this same problem with my 88 gt and it was the fuel pump relay.Even though I had just put in a new one. The relay was getting power but the pink and black wire that goes from the relay to the pump wasn't...so I would try that if nothing else works.
 
Great! Thanks for the advice.

Where is the fuel pump relay?

Update:
I've gone through JR's list and ended up replacing the ECT.
Now:
The car will start when cold.
When you rev the engine, the car will not hold an idle and will stall out.
I can restart several times.
Try to start again, and it will not.
Let it sit for an hour, then it will do the same thing.

I'm getting so frustrated....:shrug:

Let me know what else I can possibly check?
Thanks,
Jeremy

P.S. The wires running into the fuel injectors are both getting approx 12volts is that normal.
 
Mach1Guy said:
Great! Thanks for the advice.

Where is the fuel pump relay?

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He lists it under "Clue", and then part B.

The injectors should get key-on 12 volts from the EEC relay. The puter pulses ground to excite the injectors.

Can you feather the throttle to get it to raise the idle without bogging and stalling?

Good luck.