Pulled Codes (foxbody)...need Input...

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been running really rich so pulled codes...

KOEO: 15, 67, 85 (i have no smog no charcoal canister so assuming thats why im getting code 85?)
C.M. : 11
KOER: 21
cylinder balance test: 90 (9 flashes)

car was cold when i performed the tests.

pulled out my SCT chip and cleared codes to verify code 15 was from the chip...got the following codes.

KOEO: 31, 67, 81, 82, 85, 84
C.M. : 11
i have no egr, smog, hvac at all...i believe the tune i had turned off EGR and some smog components which is why im guessing they aren't there when the chip is in. anyways thought i would post these incase they help
 
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Code 21 – ECT sensor out of range. Broken or damaged wiring, bad ECT sensor.
Note that that if the outside air temp is below 50 degrees F that the test for the ECT can be in error. Warm the engine up until you get good hot air from the heater and then dump the codes again.

The computer Engine Coolant Temerature sensor has absolutely nothing to do with the temperature gauge. They are different animals. The ECT sensor is normally located it the passenger side front of the engine in the water feed tubes for the heater. It has two wires that connect by a weathertight plastic connector.

The water temperature sender for the temp gauge is located in the driver's side lower intake manifold. It has a single wire that connects by a push on connector on the temp sender.
The ACT & ECT have the same thermistor, so the table values are the same

ACT & ECT test data:

Use Pin 46 on the computer for ground for both ECT & ACT to get most accurate readings.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. At 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Pin 25 on the computer - ACT signal in. At 50 degrees F it should be 3.5 volts. It is a good number if the ACT is mounted in the inlet airbox. If it is mounted in the lower intake manifold, the voltage readings will be lower because of the heat transfer.

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Voltages may be measured across the ECT/ACT by probing the connector from the rear. A pair of safety pins may be helpful in doing this. Use care in doing it so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

50 degrees F = 3.52 v
68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61
212 degrees F = .47 v
230 degrees F = .36 v
248 degrees F = .28 v

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.

50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms
212 degrees F = 2.07 K ohms
230 degrees F = 1.55 K ohms
248 degrees F = 1.18 k ohms

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

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See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds
(website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg




Code 67 –
Revised 2 Nov 2012 to add definition of the NSS functions for both 5 speed and auto transmissions

Cause of problem:
clutch not depressed (5 speed) or car not in neutral or park (auto) or A/C in On position when codes where dumped. Possible neutral safety switch or wiring problem. This code may prevent you from running the Key On Engine On tests.

External evidence from other sources claims that a code 67 can cause an idle surge condition. Do try to find and fix any issues with the switch and wiring if you get a code 67.

What the NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) does:
5 speed transmission: It has no connection with the starter, and the engine can be cranked without it being connected.
Auto transmission: It is the safety interlock that prevents the starter from cranking the engine with the transmission in gear.
What it does for both 5 speed and auto transmission cars:
The computer wants to make sure the A/C is off due to the added load on the engine for the engine running computer diagnostic tests. It also checks to see that the transmission is in Neutral (5 speed and auto transmission) and the clutch depressed (T5, T56, Tremec 3550 & TKO)). This prevents the diagnostics from being run when the car is driven. Key On Engine Running test mode takes the throttle control away from the driver for several tests. This could prove hazardous if the computer was jumpered into test mode and then driven.

The following is for 5 speed cars only.
The NSS code 67 can be bypassed for testing. You will need to temporarily ground computer pin 30 to the chassis. Computer pin 30 uses a Lt blue/yellow wire. Remove the passenger side kick panel and then remove the plastic cover from the computer wiring connector. Use a safety pin to probe the connector from the rear. Jumper the safety pin to the ground near the computer.
Be sure to remove the jumper BEFORE attempting to drive the car!!!

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okay so ran the codes again. battery was unhooked overnight. previous tests i didn't have the clutch depressed.

round 1 NO SCT chip installed:

KOEO: 31, 81, 82, 85, 84
C.M. : 15

round 2 NO SCT chip installed:

KOEO: 31, 81, 82, 85, 84
C.M. : 11

round 1 SCT chip INSTALLED

KOEO: 15, 85
C.M. : 15

round 2 SCT chip INSTALLED

KOEO: 15, 85
C.M. : 11

so now i should run a KOER with clutch depressed?
 
i also checked the voltage at pin 1 and had 12.47 volts (same as battery)
i have a A3M ecu and the power wire to pin 1 is yellow though in your diagram it states blk/orange?

could the code 21 have been because i tested on a cold motor?

thanks for the help!
 
SCT chip INSTALLED and clutch depressed...engine temp brought up to 160ish

KOEO: 15, 85
C.M. : 11
KOER: 21
cylinder balance test: 90

i should also note my ECT has been moved b/c ive deleted all hvac and sits in the lower intake manifold where the heater tube was located. had been this way on my previous setup as well.
 
so i checked the resistance on the sensor...engine is stone cold...uplugged the harness and probed the 2 terminals on the sensor and got 35.2 garage temp is 71 degrees F...so i believe that falls into the correct range? or is it based on the temp of the coolant in the block?
 
If engine is cold, the coolant will be at ambient temp. So if garage is 71, read it at that value.

Next time you go for ride, immediately run codes with engine still at temp. You should definitely not have a code 21 then.

Next up...wiring check if you do.
 
Im going to warm up to op temps and run codes again later....i tested the voltage at the disconnected ect harness across the 2 pins with the key on and got 4.61v. Shouldnt this value be closer to 5? Should i disconnect the ecu side and test resistance? Or just clear codes and run koer at op temp?
 
Okay so got car up to 190...ran codes again

KOEO: 15, 85
C.M. : 11
KOER: 11
Cyl bal ance: 90

So looks like im good to go on the codes right?

The sct chip is causing 15...again i verified by running codes with chip out...is that due to a bad chip or tune or nothing to worry about? Car is going for a new dyno tune end of the month i just want to make sure i have everything in order.

Thanks again for the help!