Pulled Codes Here's What I Got

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I got 6 Thermactor codes, 3 KOEO and 3 KOER which is no surprise since that equipment isn't on the car anymore and the thermactor passages in the heads are plugged, but I also got a code 33 which is EGR valve not opening.

My question is: Would all the thermactor issues be causing the EGR malfunction or should the EGR vavle still be opening and closing? I've been meaning to replace it for a while, but I don't want to if it's not going to make a diff. The EGR Valve is the stock 86 unit and the engine has 60,000 original miles on it.

I'm impressed that those were the only codes on such an old car.
 
The Thermator Air System (smog pump) & EGR are two different and seperate systems. They are totally independent of each other.

EGR system:
Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds.
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The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 5in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 5in vacuum

Thermactor Air System:
The Thermactor air pump (smog pump) puts air into the heads when the engine is cold and then into the catalytic converters when it is warm. The Thermactor control valves serve to direct the flow. The first valve either dumps air to the atmosphere or passes it on to the second valve. The second valve (diverter valve) directs it to the heads or the catalytic converters. The air serves to help consume any unburned hydrocarbons by supplying extra oxygen to the catalytic process..

See code 44 & 94 causes and tests

Post the exact codes you got & I will try to help you.
 

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Thanks J. I was pretty sure they are different systems but wanted to make sure. I remember when I bought the car from my buddy that the vacuum line was completely missing from the egr and I had to fab one up form the parts store. I'm pretty sure it's hooked up right, but it may have a leak or something. Thanks for the diagram.
 
Thermactor valve will not hurt the performance or how the car runs period. EGR on the other hand iirc can cause part throttle detonation. EGR is worth keeping imo unless you have a tune that can take out the risk of detonation and it shuts off at WOT anyways. Fix the EGR and ignore the thermactor codes.
 
Yeah I don't care about the thermactor codes and I'm working on the EGR problem at the moment. I tested the valve with a vacuum pump @ 5 in. and the car almost died on me so I'm sure the valve is good. When I plugged the pump w/ gauge up to the the vacuum line that connects to the EGR and snapped the throttle I got no reading. Just to make sure the guage was working properly I hooked the it up to some other vacuum sources and I got good readings so I guess my EVR is bad then? Is that something I can get at a parts store or do I have to go to a dealer?