Radiator ?'s

CarFreakGT

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May 26, 2003
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Sorry, wasn't sure if this was talk or tech. :shrug: Getting ready to install electric fan (out of a Taurus) and may just save up and get new radiator as well, since my old stocker is looking pretty rough. It's an 89 GT, basically stock except exhaust, with future plans for a mild to moderate street car--hopefully in mid 300 hp level. Any recommendations for brand/type? Any pros/cons for 2- vs. 3-row? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I had some radiator problems a month or two ago and decided to upgrade. I was looking at either the universal aluminum summit racing or griffin. Theres a few choices when it comes to different sizes. I was searching other posts about which one to get and finally went with the summit one, i think the part number was: SUM-380431. I was also looking at the griffin, part number:GRI-1-25272-X . The sumit one is $179.95, and the griffin is $189.95. If you go to summitracing.com or jegs.com, and search for ones specifically for mustangs, they are over $250 bucks. The reason why they are so much more is because they are alot easier to install. SO, this is where i hope my experience helps you...... the two part numbers i listed were for radiators that others on stangnet helped me decide on however, i had issues with fitment. Im still not too sure how i got it to fit. The measurements for the summit radiator are: 30.875(basically 31) inches wide and 19 inches high, and 2.875(basically 3) inches thick. Measurements for the griffin one are: 31 inches wide, 19 inches high and 3 inches thick. When i went to install this beast, i realized it wasnt just going to slide in, but i expected some issues seeing how its a universal radiator, which i saved alot of money buying over the ones specifically for a mustang. I had to do some bending and the good old hammer came out to play.

Long story short, i dont know how it got in there but its in. If it were just a tad smaller, it would have worked beautiful! After the install i checked out summitracing.com where i got the radiator and sure enough, they have a smaller one. The part number for the summit one is: SUM-380428. The part number for the griffin is: GRI-1-26242-X . Both of these are aluminum and dual row. Measurements for summit are: 27.3775 inches wide,19 inches wide, 2.875 thick. griffin measurements: 27.5 inches wide, 19 high, 3 thick. The difference between the two is that the summit ones are fully welded while the griffin uses epoxy to help seal the radiator off from any leaks. You might want to do some research on this, everyone will have a different opinion on which is better. I called a few mustang places around where i live and they feel that a fully welded radiator will last longer. The only other issue your going to have is fitting the hoses to the the new radiator.The inlet and outlet are much bigger than stock, the stock hoses will work though. The outlet at the lower drivers side was a pain to get on, i used some vasoline on the outlet tube and alot of muscle, also have to add in the fact that i was on my back, laying on the street. The other hose should be alot easier to get on, i had to trim it maybe a inch or two because the radiator is thicker than the stock one. Also, because the new radiator is so much thicker, the fan shroud, assuming you still have the stock one will move closer to the fan belt, which isnt a big deal. You will have to drill holes for the shroud to hook up, at the top. Then drillholes at the bottom of the radiator for the shroud, i used zip ties to hold it together at the bottom. The only othere suggestion i have is if your planning on using an electic fan, think about installing it with the new radiator, cause it will mean alot more work later. Of course things might work out differently with the smaller radiator. That was my plan and a reason why i got a cheaper radiator, but i didnt have the money at the time for a fan. The only thing is that if you ditch the stock shroud, im not sure how to or where to put the overflow tank because it hooks onto the shroud. The larger radiator i got also made things seem a bit more crowded too. I just had to replace my alternator the other day and during the install, it was hard to turn the belt tensioner because the top of the shroud was jut enough in the way. The only option i had really was to cut some of the shroud, the top lip of it. It worked and it doesnt look like anything was done.

I know this was long, but you should have no problems with your install and i might have saved you some money here. Like most things, its better to do it right the first time. I learned a lot from my experience and i hope all this helps you. :D
 
ok, I just installed a 3.8L taurus fan in my LX a month or so ago and it would not fit w/ a 3-core radiator; the electric fanstuck out too far basically wouldn't fit because of the water pump pulley. Consequently, I got a 2-core radiator.

Now, my car has been wrecked in the front, so that may make it off a little bit, but I would really suggest you hold that electric fan up to your two core (maybe temporarily attach it how you plan to mount it) and see how much room you'll have. Measure how thick your rad. is now compared to a 3-core, etc.

Here are some pics of my install:
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If you can't tell, I mounted the taurus fan upside down to put the thicker side of the shroud over on the drivers side of the car and I used screws and a metal strip to attach the overflow. I suppose it isn't the prettiest way of mounting the over flow, but it works.

Good Luck:nice:
 
Thanks, ras50 and User...a ton of useful info that I think will help a lot! Especially the part #'s from ras, and the pics from User--that's the same fan that I got off of e-bay. One of my concerns was the depth of the 3-row.

Have either of you had any cooling issues since the install?

86blue--did you have any fitment problems w/ your 3-row similar to what ras50 ran into?

Thanks again to all who responded.
 
CarFreakGT said:
Have either of you had any cooling issues since the install?
Well, I really didn't have cooling issues before the install; the main reason I did the electric fan was because my stock fan/shroud wouldn't work - my car was stolen and wrecked - the frame was straightened and all, but everything still wouldn't match up 100%.

However, to answer your question, yes. At first, I had the taurus fan installed w/ my DCC unit (www.dccontrol.com) and it kept overheating. I pulled the 3-core from my GT and put it in the LX w/ the fan and - as I mentioned above - it wouldn't fit. Then, I bought a 2-core stock replacement radiator at O'Reilly's for $117 and now have zero cooling problems.:D

Are you running the stock alternator? You need the 3g upgrade to run the electric fan.
 
hey CarFreakGT, i have no cooling issues at all since i put the new radiator in. I couldnt be happier with it, besides if i could do it over again i probably would have gotten the smaller size. For the most part, 2 row universal radiators are going to be about 3 inches thick. Just make sure you measure things before you buy them. Especially figure out what electric fan your going to use and also how your going to mount the overflow tank, etc. Like i said too, its a pretty good time to install a new fan. I plan on getting a fan in a few months. Dont forget, you will need a high output alternator as well. I havent decided if i want to rebuild, do a stroker or build something else. Does anyone have any suggestions on that topic? My engine has about 107k on it right now, not too bad. Also, you may want to consider any other upgrades you want to do while you have the radiator out, such as the cam or heads or intake. I thought about those things after i was done, the problem was i had no time to do anything else because its my daily driver and i need to get to work and school. I was going to post some pictures, but im having problems doing so, can anyone tell me how to post pics?