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Rear gear noise? (long)

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trinity_gt

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02 GT, 5-speed, 28,000-miles. Recently (few months ago) had FRPP 3.73s. More recently had Bullitt suspension with FRPP UCAs (the ones with the stiffer chassis-side bushings) installed. LCAs are stock, bushings in diff housing where UCAs connect are also stock.

Problem: Have noticed of late that right around 110KPH (68MPH) I'm getting a "hum" coming from the rear of the car when the drivetrain is loaded in acceleration. If I let off the gas, I don't hear it. If I modulate the throttle to load & unload the gears the noise comes and goes. I wouldn't classify the noise as a "howl" or a "whine"...it's just a hum, almost like it's coming through the chassis. I don't notice it at higher or lower speeds though my Steeda exhaust is quite loud so it may be masking it. Around town I hear no noises from the rear other than the usual, lovable dump-truck noises these things make (and it made before the gear change...)

There's no driveshaft vibration (it's the OEM shaft) and the car hasn't been abused; no high RPM clutch dumps, no slicks, no real burnouts even...not even chirps into 2nd or 3rd. Spirited driving sure, no abuse. The gears were broken in for 500-kms (312-miles) with gentle driving, nothing over 50-mph etc after installation. Synthetic 75W140 oil & FRPP friction modifier were used during the gear change. New FRPP bearings & races were used (can't recall if the carrier bearings were renewed or not at the moment...the pinion units definitely were.)

I was thinking the new UCAs with the stiffer bushings may be transmitting more noise into the cabin, "normal" noise that the OEM bushings masked. That the noise isn't there all the time, at all speeds (or varying with speeds) makes me think it's not in the rear itself. Maybe the damper mass on the differential is now "out of tune" with the new gears...

I'm loathe to take it back to the shop to have them take the rear cover off to verify backlash or preloads or to check the mating pattern again. Well, unless the concensus is that something is wrong back there.

Any ideas other than gear setup problems? Anyone experience any similar noise with new UCAs with stiffer bushings? Is the Mach 1 (3.55 gear) diff damper different than the 3.27 GT damper? Could it be bolted in place of the GT damper?

 

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Did they replace the axle bearings?
 

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tomustang said:
Did they replace the axle bearings?
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Nope. Car only has 28,000 miles on it (27K when gears installed.)

I had them do the bearings they thought could use attention; they opted for the inner & outer pinion bearings but said the carrier units were fine. They didn't comment on the axle bearings.
 

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I had the same problem on my GT, it was related to the rear-end somehow. they did't tell me what was wrong but it ended up chewing everything inside and I had a nice overhaul for $1,100.

For the FRPP UCAs, you won't notice anything until you replace the axle bushings, all it's doing is cutting the stiffness in half
 

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tomustang said:
I had the same problem on my GT, it was related to the rear-end somehow. they did't tell me what was wrong but it ended up chewing everything inside and I had a nice overhaul for $1,100.
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No, not nice at all. So you had a noise at a certain speed? Or was it noticeable at other speeds too?

The fact that mine's noise comes and goes with load is probably going to force my hand and take it back for a look-see.

For the FRPP UCAs, you won't notice anything until you replace the axle bushings, all it's doing is cutting the stiffness in half
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I was thinking the stiffer bushings might transmit a bit more noise. Going to an MGW shifter revealed all sorts of "normal" noises coming from my 3650 I never heard with the rubber-isolated factory shifter
 

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tomustang said:
I had the same problem on my GT, it was related to the rear-end somehow. they did't tell me what was wrong but it ended up chewing everything inside and I had a nice overhaul for $1,100.
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So they didn't tell you anything and you just wrote them a check for $1100?

Did they kick you in the nuts and laugh before OR after?
 
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