Saw my first 2011 5.0 yesterday...
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nmcgrawj
Advanced Member
I'd much rather have a 03/04 cobra motor than this new 5.0.
Yea its a 5.0...but its not a pushrod lol. You can stroke the current 4.6s to a 5.0 also....
i agreed that the numbers seemed outrageous but you know how people are. They hype there stuff to people that will never be able to confirm it. Take it for what its worth.
Ummmm, you're aware that the '03/04 Cobra engine isn't a pushrod engine either, right?
...and the new Ti VCT 5.0L seems to put out the same horsepower figures as the last Supercharged Cobra....without the blower!!!
I love the whine of an Eaton blower as much as the next guy, but this new 5.0L is tits. The rods and pistons aren't quite as tough as the Manley's and Mahle Pistons that the Cobra is sporting, but everything else is by far superior.....not to mention much, much lighter!
nmcgrawj
Advanced Member
Wait, i thought 05 was the first year they got rid of pushrods in favor of the 3 valve?
Do you ever find yourself making posts with statements that are so painfully obvious there is no point in posting them? Before you wrote that post, did u ever wonder like "hmmmm how many 03/04 cobras are actually stock?"
Find me 1 2011 that can put out the numbers AVERAGE modded 03/04 cobras do. Now if the new 5.0 motor proves to take mods as well as the 03/04 cobra does....then my opinion will change. As it seems now....its an amazing engine from the factory. It puts out great power for what it is.
But news flash...its EASY for the 03/04 cobra and the LSX family of engines to leave this new 5.0 in the dust power wise. (and yes, the LSX motor does it WITHOUT a blower too lol). Yes, the 5.0 hasnt had time to prove itself...which i hope it does. But as of now...IMO there are better options from Ford when it comes to big, expensive, complex swaps in our cars and newer technology.
Brian as a supermod, i expect posts of much more quality coming from you. Instead, you post up stuff that just wastes space. Or maybe you're just trying to be funny?
whitesqual
Active Member
Wait, i thought 05 was the first year they got rid of pushrods in favor of the 3 valve?
Do you ever find yourself making posts with statements that are so painfully obvious there is no point in posting them? Before you wrote that post, did u ever wonder like "hmmmm how many 03/04 cobras are actually stock?"
Find me 1 2011 that can put out the numbers AVERAGE modded 03/04 cobras do. Now if the new 5.0 motor proves to take mods as well as the 03/04 cobra does....then my opinion will change. As it seems now....its an amazing engine from the factory. It puts out great power for what it is.
But news flash...its EASY for the 03/04 cobra and the LSX family of engines to leave this new 5.0 in the dust power wise. (and yes, the LSX motor does it WITHOUT a blower too lol). Yes, the 5.0 hasnt had time to prove itself...which i hope it does. But as of now...IMO there are better options from Ford when it comes to big, expensive, complex swaps in our cars and newer technology.
Brian as a supermod, i expect posts of much more quality coming from you. Instead, you post up stuff that just wastes space. Or maybe you're just trying to be funny?
Push rods disappeared in 96, the 96-04 2v and 4v motors were all over head cams. In 05 they switched to the 3v which is also an overhead cam motor. I thought this info was painfully obvious, but
. As for the new 5.0, just give it some time, we'll see how it does, I wouldn't start judging it yet.
Wait, i thought 05 was the first year they got rid of pushrods in favor of the 3 valve?
Do you ever find yourself making posts with statements that are so painfully obvious there is no point in posting them? Before you wrote that post, did u ever wonder like "hmmmm how many 03/04 cobras are actually stock?"
Find me 1 2011 that can put out the numbers AVERAGE modded 03/04 cobras do. Now if the new 5.0 motor proves to take mods as well as the 03/04 cobra does....then my opinion will change. As it seems now....its an amazing engine from the factory. It puts out great power for what it is.
But news flash...its EASY for the 03/04 cobra and the LSX family of engines to leave this new 5.0 in the dust power wise. (and yes, the LSX motor does it WITHOUT a blower too lol). Yes, the 5.0 hasnt had time to prove itself...which i hope it does. But as of now...IMO there are better options from Ford when it comes to big, expensive, complex swaps in our cars and newer technology.
Brian as a supermod, i expect posts of much more quality coming from you. Instead, you post up stuff that just wastes space. Or maybe you're just trying to be funny?
Wait...did a guy that didn't know pushrods haven't been in a Mustang since 1995 just try to school me on posting and Tech? Who's wasting space and trying to be funny now?
I do think it’s really funny that you've been a pushrod engine fanboy all this time (and no amount of reasoning could convince you otherwise) without actually knowing what they were.
FYI, I wasn't implying that the Cobra engine didn't have the potential for great power levels. Just that the new Ti VCT 5.0L is putting out the same (or better) horsepower figures without the use of a blower. You can modify a Cobra, LSX engine(s) or anything you want, all you'd like. The fact of the matter remains, that the new 5.0L matches the factory power offerings of the blown 4V 4.6L, outmuscles all previous LSX engines (save for the 427ci LS7) and matches the current power levels of the newest and much larger 6.2L LSX in the Camaro with only 5.0L of N/A displacement, and does it all in BONE STOCK trim.....and that's damn impressive!!! Like I said, it’s no slouch and shouldn't be discounted....even if it doesn't have pushrods.
..that quality enough for ya Nate?
BlackVert
15 Year Member
nate, as sweet as those 03 cobra motors are, the new TiVCT motor looks be in a whole other class, head and shoulders over it. my bet is that the aftermarket will have a field day with this new motor.
then again, they might have a hard time improving it because it is already extremely efficient
in any case, the ante has been upped my friend.
just my opinion from everything i have read and heard so far.
then again, they might have a hard time improving it because it is already extremely efficient
in any case, the ante has been upped my friend.
just my opinion from everything i have read and heard so far.
Dino Dino Bambino
15 Year Member
Evolution Performance have already started with prototype aftermarket parts for it. They dyno'd a 2011 GT which put down 368.6rwhp/352.5rwtq stock and 405.2rwhp/375.2rwtq with CAI, LT headers, X-pipe, catbacks, and tune. It ran 11.82 @ 117.74 and still no power adder in sight. Awesome!
YouTube - Evolution Performance - First 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V To Run 11's!
I'm sure someone will come up with forged rods/pistons to make the engine blower-friendly so don't be surprised if we have a 2011 GT with 500+rwhp running 10's within a few months.
I'm not so sure that it isn't already somewhat blower friendly. I'm sure it’s not going to handle 20psi+ pounds of boost like the '03-'04 Cobra short blocks do, but I bet 5-10psi is certainly doable. Remember, although they don't utilize super tough forged rods and pistons like the Cobra's are sporting, these aren't the same spindly, weak rods and pistons that the previous generation Modular’s were running either. The new pistons are beefier and oil cooled and the rods are heavier and constructed utilizing a different casting process as the previous.
Let’s put it this way....the LSX rods aren't forged either from what I recall and they'll handle a tonn of horsepower.
The biggest enemy when it comes to forced induction with these new Ti VCT engines is their high compression ratio. Sure, its going to limit their ability to handle serious cylinder pressure levels, but with that free breathing intake, those gargantuous flowing heads and fully controllable variable cam timing, I’m certain they’re going to make much more use of any added airflow they receive in comparison to the modular engines we have become used to in the past.
earleys94gt
Active Member
The stock numbers for the 2011 5.0 are right around 412 hp and 390 torgue(these numbers are with 91+ octane). Heck the V-6 is 305 hp, and gets 31 mpg!
The scary thing is they are just starting to tap the potential of this engine...
The scary thing is they are just starting to tap the potential of this engine...
I think the new 5.0 engine is pretty efficient the way it is. I doubt there will be too much you can do with this engine. Full exhaust and cold air will free up some hp, but I don't think that there will be any heads and cam combos like on the old school 5.0 that will dramatically increase power. I'm holding out for direct injection.
Kurt
Kurt
Didnt think my question would cause a riot lol! Just thought it would be cool if someone did the swap as it is a stock 5.0 non S/C...since all the LSx owners always say ford needs a power adder to keep up....now ford did it with less cubes(than the LSx motors) and no s/c! Now that same engine in a vehicle that I would assume is lighter than the new 11's stangs....Can you say beast!
