selecting a cam for my combo!

[mootang]

hey, I got a 94' mustang gt 5-speed with AFR 165 heads, edelbrock RPMII intake, 70mm throttle body, shorty headers, x-pipe, flowmaster catback, 3.73 gears and I'm getting a C&L 76mm MAF with inlet pipe as well as 24lb injectors for my new cam. I was looking at the trick flow stage one cam .510/.499 lift and 221/225 durration @ .050 OR crane cam 444221 .533/.544 lift and 216/220 durration @.050. I also found a cam on the chp web site with .509/.532 lift and 222/232 duration @ .050
I'd just like to get some feedback and recomendations, Thank You!!

 

[DFG 5OH]

How much did it cost you to get to where your at now? Thats similar to what i wanna do in the furture

 

[final5-0]

Post #1 .... WELCOME!

I like my FTI custom cam.

Later
Grady

 

[mootang]

How much did it cost you to get to where your at now? Thats similar to what i wanna do in the furture

$900 for the 3.73's and eaton diff.
$1800 for AFR 165's, pro magnom roller rockers, and hardened pushrods
$360 for used bbk short tube headers and x-pipe.
$800 for edelbrock RPMII, 70mm throttlebody

That's the rundown on my current engine mods but the cam is going in after christmas. Just need to pick the right one!!

 

[mootang]

Post #1 .... WELCOME!

I like my FTI custom cam.

Later
Grady

what is the part # or is it a custom cam. if it is a custom what are the specs? RPM range?

 

[Darkhorse845]

Trick Flow stage one cam would be nice.

 

[wytstang]

It's a custom cam I think they run $325. Well worth the mony most guys here are running the e-brock intaks/FTI custom cam/AFR 165 heads are hitting the 300rwhp mark N/A with a good tune.

 

[wytstang]

:OT: Darkhorse845 how the hell do you have over a thousands post and just joined last month. I thought I posted a bunch of but damn your good

 

[Joes95GT]

That 222/232 cam is made by Wolverine and it is an EXCELLENT cam. It may wreak havoc with the stock EEC, so you would probably have to buy a Tweecer or something to piggy back the computer. Because it is so big, you might have to put it in on some type of advance (or maybe straight up) to get it to drive well on the street.

There is also a smaller 212/222 cam that would work very well too and give you way better street manners. I know of someone with this cam that went 12.10 @ 111 in a 3200 pound 5-speed car with a 3.73 gear. For the size, these camshafts (both of them) make TONS of power.

Joe

 

[stangboy]

That 222/232 cam is made by Wolverine and it is an EXCELLENT cam. It may wreak havoc with the stock EEC, so you would probably have to buy a Tweecer or something to piggy back the computer. Because it is so big, you might have to put it in on some type of advance (or maybe straight up) to get it to drive well on the street.

There is also a smaller 212/222 cam that would work very well too and give you way better street manners. I know of someone with this cam that went 12.10 @ 111 in a 3200 pound 5-speed car with a 3.73 gear. For the size, these camshafts (both of them) make TONS of power.

Joe

Do you have a link to the site that sells those Wolverine cams? I want to look at all the specs and prices. Because i want to get rid of the F303 that I have.

 

[wytstang]

That's the Wolverine 1087
advertised 289/299
@ .050 222/232
SAE 299/309
From what I've read (Hardcore50) they stop making that cam and the
Wolverine 1190
advertised 279/289
@ .050 212/222
SAE 289/299
Are no longer being made.

 

[mootang]

does anyone have an opinion on the cams I have listed other than the modular guy?

 

[wytstang]

From what I have read the "Wolverine 1087 is on of the best off the shelf cam there is" and I'm quoting Jay Allen from camshaftinnovations(sp?) I personally would chose that cam out of all the others out there because it's been proven. Read this tread from hardcore50 and see what these guy think of this cam
http://bbs.hardcore50.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22079

 

[Joes95GT]

Do you have a link to the site that sells those Wolverine cams? I want to look at all the specs and prices. Because i want to get rid of the F303 that I have.

www.coasthigh.com.

Check the camshaft section. They don't outwardly say "Wolverine cams," but look at the duration figures and decide...

Joe

 

[final5-0]

does anyone have an opinion on the cams I have listed other than the modular guy?

Why not just search for combos using AFR 165's, rpmII, and the cams you've put on your short list?

The cam needs to match up well to the heads & intake for the best performance. The other supporting stuff like tb, maf, headers and the like are not as critical as the h/c/i when trying to compare your ideas to what results others have achieved with similar combos.

I think the ProM 80mm maf is one of those parts that is well worth the money and would recommend it to you over the C&L.

You don't give any goals or expectations for your combo but with those heads and intake you have some real potential for a strong mid to high end power range that can exceed the 300rwhp benchmark easily.

If the above is along the lines of your expectations then you might want to think about a few of the following things:

The 24lb inj's will not have a lot of breathing room at stock fuel pressure. If you raise the fuel pressure then things will not be quite as close to the limit. If you have any thoughts about doing the spray thing then the 24's very well could get you into trouble.

A cam large enough to work well with those parts may cause you to have some drivability issues. You did not say if this is your daily driver.

You may need to have a chip done or get into self tuning to take care of those issues.

If by chance you don't have to deal with drivability issues a custom tune will yield more power than what you can achieve by mechanical methods.

Either way, IMHO, a custom tune is an item that is needed to get the most from a combo with that kind of potential.

Later
Grady

 

[ChromeYellow94]

I think that custom cams are the only way to go. I'm gonna have ed grind me up four of them for my cobra. It'll be like $4,000 but it'll be worth it.

 

[Jason@AFR]

Mootang,

Nice to see what heads you are using! But to be honest the Wolverine cams are great, but, with ten degrees more on the exhaust side on a relatively mild N/A application, you may be costing yourself some low-speed torque. The 165 head has a great intake/exhaust ratio and you may bleed off some of the low-rpm cylinder pressure. I would seriously consider going to the Trick Flow stage 1 cam (You have the upgraded springs, right?) because there is a more ideal split, we recommend a 4-6 degree split, that is one of the reasons we love Xtreme Energy camshafts, they make great horsepower....and torque. Just my own opinion is all.

 

[mootang]

Those were just a few cams that interested me but I've allready decided to go with the trick flow stage 1.

Thanks though i appreciate your imput

 

[stangboy]

Mootang,

Nice to see what heads you are using! But to be honest the Wolverine cams are great, but, with ten degrees more on the exhaust side on a relatively mild N/A application, you may be costing yourself some low-speed torque. The 165 head has a great intake/exhaust ratio and you may bleed off some of the low-rpm cylinder pressure. I would seriously consider going to the Trick Flow stage 1 cam (You have the upgraded springs, right?) because there is a more ideal split, we recommend a 4-6 degree split, that is one of the reasons we love Xtreme Energy camshafts, they make great horsepower....and torque. Just my own opinion is all.

Would you recommend the XE274HR cam for my setup or is it too much cam for my setup? I've been thinking about getting this cam but I was wondering if it's too much for this 302 setup I have. I know a lot of guys are using this cam in 331 strokers. What do you think?

 

[Killercanary]

I also suggest going custom, that way you can have the cam matched to your combo, your driving style, and desired RPM range. I went custom because when I started looking for cams it seemed everyone had opinions, but no one had real knowledge as to what to get. I went with a custom http://www.flowtechinduction.com cam because Ed HAS the ability and knowledge to match a cam to the combination and desires of the buyer. I wanted a cam that was mild enough to be DD yet would take my 3700lb into the low 13's at 105mph... needless to say by my sig, we sort of blew past those numbers!!! The nice thing when dealing with Ed at Flow Tech Induction is that he will help you with all aspects of the car, not just the cam. I suggest calling him, it was BY FAR the best $325 I have EVER spent on my car as the amount of knowledge I have gained from Ed was worth WAY more than the cost of the cam.


Did you get the upgraded valve springs from AFR?