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savegoodautonfg

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If i dont use cats on my car at all, what can i delete off my car pertaining to smog equipment.

also im looking to buy the FMS 70MM Throttle Body because i think my BBK is whistling and im sick of it. anyone know where i can find one?

Also to add, i wont need the EGR Spacer on there if i take out smog equipment.. im not really sure about this smog equipement delete so just let me know asap. if so, would anything be harder during install without having an EGR Plate.

thanks,

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without the egr, I believe you will need to modify your throttle cable.
 
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thanks quick,

any other opinions?
 
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i never heard of deleting the gr spacer man. I would keep it on there. It doesnt connect into your smog anyway. I dont think anyway. I may be wrong so i will wait till others chime in because My engine is going back in my car in the next week or so and i deleted all the smog pump
 

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Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions. A custom chip or Tweecer tune is the only way to disable the EGR in the computer’s programming.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 2-5 in vacuum


Late Model Restoration has the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=M12071N302 1&comp=LRS for more details


No more catalytic converters and you want to elminate some of the plumbing? Then this is for you.

TAB & TAD solenoid valve eliminators – eliminate codes 81 & 82

Don’t do this if you have a catalytic converter H pipe. The catalytic converters must have the air from the smog pump or they will clog up and choke.

See www.Newark.com for the resistors to replace the TAB & TAD solenoids

http://www.newark.com/jsp/Passives/Wirewound/OHMITE/43F82RE/displayProduct.jsp?sku=64K8974
If the link fails do a search using the park number
82 ohm, 3 watt wirewound resistor, 94 cents each.
Newark P/N 64K8974
Ohmite part # 43F82RE.

Pay a visit to your local Radio Shack to get some heat shrink and some crimp on tap terminals. They do not stock the resistors. Or you can use the Ford connector pin kit from AutoZone.


18 gauge crimp on taps Catalog #: 64-3053

Put the resistor inside the heat shrink tubing and crimp the connectors on. I would choose the Ford pin connectors since they should plug in the TAD wiring. That way you haven't modified the wiring so it is easy to re-install the TAD solenoids if emissions testing comes to your area.

This isn't a guaranteed fix, but it is cheap enough (less than $10) that you can experiment with it.
 
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What can i eliminate tho?
 

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Just take off thge smog pump and plumbing running to exhaust and heads and be done with it.
 

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savegoodautonfg said:
What can i eliminate tho?
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The ability of your offspring to breathe. Oops...did I just say that?
 

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The ability of your offspring to breathe. Oops...did I just say that?
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Yep.... that's what you said!
 

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You're going to need a EGR eliminator spacer. The throttle cable mounts to the EGR spacer.

As far as I know Ford doesn't offer a 70MM throttle body for Foxes. They did have a 65MM but those are long gone. Your only option in a Ford throttle body is a Explorer 65MM and those need to be modified to work on a Fox.
 

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ShortThrow50 said:
Just take off thge smog pump and plumbing running to exhaust and heads and be done with it.
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Thats the ticket right there
 

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Maryland Stang said:
You're going to need a EGR eliminator spacer. The throttle cable mounts to the EGR spacer.

As far as I know Ford doesn't offer a 70MM throttle body for Foxes. They did have a 65MM but those are long gone. Your only option in a Ford throttle body is a Explorer 65MM and those need to be modified to work on a Fox.
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Ford Racing now Offers 65mm T/Bs again, I bought one recently.
 
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Stock is 55mm right?



I have a BBK but I dont like it too much.
 

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I believe a Stock T/B is 60mm.
 

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I may be wrong but isn't stock tb's 58mm.. oh and about the eliminating the emissions equipment.. that's good and all unless smog testing comes to your area.. then you'll have some real problems... if you have the old smog equip I would just put it back on... doesn't really hinder performance in my opinion... well at least in a huge way...
 

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jrichker said:
Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions. A custom chip or Tweecer tune is the only way to disable the EGR in the computer’s programming.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 2-5 in vacuum


Late Model Restoration has the Ford Racing M-12071-N302 kit with the EGR valve & sensor along with the ACT & ECT sensors for $45. See http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/iwwida.pvx?;item?item_no=M12071N302 1&comp=LRS for more details


No more catalytic converters and you want to elminate some of the plumbing? Then this is for you.

TAB & TAD solenoid valve eliminators – eliminate codes 81 & 82

Don’t do this if you have a catalytic converter H pipe. The catalytic converters must have the air from the smog pump or they will clog up and choke.

See www.Newark.com for the resistors to replace the TAB & TAD solenoids

http://www.newark.com/jsp/Passives/Wirewound/OHMITE/43F82RE/displayProduct.jsp?sku=64K8974
If the link fails do a search using the park number
82 ohm, 3 watt wirewound resistor, 94 cents each.
Newark P/N 64K8974
Ohmite part # 43F82RE.

Pay a visit to your local Radio Shack to get some heat shrink and some crimp on tap terminals. They do not stock the resistors. Or you can use the Ford connector pin kit from AutoZone.


18 gauge crimp on taps Catalog #: 64-3053

Put the resistor inside the heat shrink tubing and crimp the connectors on. I would choose the Ford pin connectors since they should plug in the TAD wiring. That way you haven't modified the wiring so it is easy to re-install the TAD solenoids if emissions testing comes to your area.

This isn't a guaranteed fix, but it is cheap enough (less than $10) that you can experiment with it.
Click to expand...

Where do you find the TAB and TAD solenoids? Then is there just 2 wires going into them and you insert the resistor in between the 2? Thanks
 

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Shakerhood said:
Ford Racing now Offers 65mm T/Bs again, I bought one recently.
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They are not the same as the 65mm throttle body they used to sell. The new FRPP throttle bodies are polished and are offered in 70mm and 75mm as well. I don't know for a fact, but am guessing that they are repackaged chinese made professional products brand. Whooptie do.
 

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Where do you find the TAB and TAD solenoids? Thanks
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The TAB and TAD solenoids are located on a metal bracket on the rear (facing the firewall) of the passenger side shock tower. They are underneath the EGR Vacuum Regulator (EVR).
 
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