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AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes
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Lack of maintenance and/or the engine has some blow by i.e. oil consumption and/or PCV system is not functioning properly would be my guesses. I would reuse the valve cover gasket but that is why I get the blue ones so I can reuse them.
 

AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes
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Went back and read the entire thread. You are going to a lot of trouble to install the GT40 heads and Explorer/Cobra upper and lower not to have TMoss port the lower intake. He ported the Cobra lower on my old 302 and it made a difference. Best way is to email him and ask him what he would charge to port it (moss tpsa@ sbc global. net - remove the spaces). You should also be able to run a set of 1.7 pedestal mount roller rockers and not have piston to valve clearance issues which will pick up a little more hp. Read I said should not have PTV clearance issues but you should always clay the motor. Go hear and start at Post #946:

Progress Thread - Hoopty v2.0 - Back in action!

There is actually a tool made for that.
stangnet.com

You can keep the 65 mm throttle body as there will not be a lot of performance increase jumping to a 70mm with your combo.

If you really want to move up to 24lb/hr injectors I would say use the throttle body money to get a Pro-M 75mm Bullet MAF for 24/lb/hr injectors.

75MM Bullet Unflanged

<p>The <strong>Pro-M 75mm unflanged Bullet</strong> is a direct replacement for the 88-93 5.0 Mustang (Fox Body / Third Generation), as well as any other Ford vehicles originally equipped with a 55 or 70mm unflanged Mass Air Meter housing.</p> <p>The Bullet features a more modern sampling...
www.promracing.com

Do not get fleabay or Amazon injectors...cannot stress this enough.

8 x Fuel Injectors fit Bosch OEM 0280150947 For Ford E-250 350 Econoline Mustang

8 x Fuel Injectors fit Bosch OEM 0280150947 For Ford E-250 350 Econoline Mustang Details Condition: New Quantity: 8 pieces Type: Petrol Gas Fuel Injector Manufacturer Part Number: 0280150947 / 62219 Compatible Part Numbers: Ford F1TE-D1A, F1TZ-9F593-C, F1TE-9F593-D5A, CM-4721 0280150965...
ksm-motorsports.com

With the calibrated MAF from Pro-M you do not need to get a tune as it compensates for the larger injectors. I am only suggesting Pro-M as I ran one for years on my old 302 combo which made right at 275 rwhp on the 24 lb/hr injectors. There are other calibrated MAF's out there I just like the Pro-M's.

Do this outside if you can. Flip the GT40 heads over so the combustion chambers are facing up. Fill each combustion chamber with gasoline so the valves are covered. If gasoline drips down the valve stem then that valve leaks. Mark which ones leak with a paint pen. Take the GT40 heads to a machine shop and have them fix any of the leaking valves (if its more than one or two just have them do all of them) and install these springs:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-2500100

This is all cheap insurance so you don't have to pull the heads back off in a few weeks or months. The springs will be fine on the stock cam and are good up to 0.540" lift which is way more than the stock cam and leaves you room to put a cam in later down the road because you will if you are any kind of gear head. If the springs that are on it are the stock springs they are gonna be weak due to run time and just being old. Springs cyclically fatigue due to being used, this is called metallurgy.

If you have not already you will need to drill the lower intake to accept the Air Charge Temperature (ACT) sensor in the #5 runner. If you send it to TMoss you can ask and see if he will do it for you or watch this video (pretty decent):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSO_3Zwrrc8


If you have not already ditch the lower intake to cylinder head bolts and run studs. See here, Post #7:

https://www.corral.net/threads/reasonable-number-of-lower-intake-retorque-intake-whistle.2515400/#post-18736323

I would also suggest that on aluminum heads you heli-coil the threaded holes where the intake attaches if you do use bolts as they have a tendency to pull the threads. I did it on my Edelbrocks and my AFR's and I am using studs on both as it only took stripping one to teach me a lesson.

You can make a TDC tool which takes all the guessing out of finding TDC. Some like this approach and others complain its overkill but when you do it this way there is no doubt where TDC is (Post #27):

Engine - Can't get the motor to fire.

Pretty much anytime someone has the distributor out, does internal engine work that involves rotating the engine, and then it won’t start when all back together is because the distributor is 180* out. Ask me how I know lol.
stangnet.com

Probably late on all of this but figured if anything maybe its a good read and will spark some discussion.
 
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JAA

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AeroCoupe said:
Went back and read the entire thread. You are going to a lot of trouble to install the GT40 heads and Explorer/Cobra upper and lower not to have TMoss port the lower intake. He ported the Cobra lower on my old 302 and it made a difference. Best way is to email him and ask him what he would charge to port it (moss tpsa@ sbc global. net - remove the spaces). You should also be able to run a set of 1.7 pedestal mount roller rockers and not have piston to valve clearance issues which will pick up a little more hp. Read I said should not have PTV clearance issues but you should always clay the motor. Go hear and start at Post #946:

Progress Thread - Hoopty v2.0 - Back in action!

There is actually a tool made for that.
stangnet.com

You can keep the 65 mm throttle body as there will not be a lot of performance increase jumping to a 70mm with your combo.

If you really want to move up to 24lb/hr injectors I would say use the throttle body money to get a Pro-M 75mm Bullet MAF for 24/lb/hr injectors.

75MM Bullet Unflanged

<p>The <strong>Pro-M 75mm unflanged Bullet</strong> is a direct replacement for the 88-93 5.0 Mustang (Fox Body / Third Generation), as well as any other Ford vehicles originally equipped with a 55 or 70mm unflanged Mass Air Meter housing.</p> <p>The Bullet features a more modern sampling...
www.promracing.com

Do not get fleabay or Amazon injectors...cannot stress this enough.

8 x Fuel Injectors fit Bosch OEM 0280150947 For Ford E-250 350 Econoline Mustang

8 x Fuel Injectors fit Bosch OEM 0280150947 For Ford E-250 350 Econoline Mustang Details Condition: New Quantity: 8 pieces Type: Petrol Gas Fuel Injector Manufacturer Part Number: 0280150947 / 62219 Compatible Part Numbers: Ford F1TE-D1A, F1TZ-9F593-C, F1TE-9F593-D5A, CM-4721 0280150965...
ksm-motorsports.com

With the calibrated MAF from Pro-M you do not need to get a tune as it compensates for the larger injectors. I am only suggesting Pro-M as I ran one for years on my old 302 combo which made right at 275 rwhp on the 24 lb/hr injectors. There are other calibrated MAF's out there I just like the Pro-M's.

Do this outside if you can. Flip the GT40 heads over so the combustion chambers are facing up. Fill each combustion chamber with gasoline so the valves are covered. If gasoline drips down the valve stem then that valve leaks. Mark which ones leak with a paint pen. Take the GT40 heads to a machine shop and have them fix any of the leaking valves (if its more than one or two just have them do all of them) and install these springs:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-2500100

This is all cheap insurance so you don't have to pull the heads back off in a few weeks or months. The springs will be fine on the stock cam and are good up to 0.540" lift which is way more than the stock cam and leaves you room to put a cam in later down the road because you will if you are any kind of gear head. If the springs that are on it are the stock springs they are gonna be weak due to run time and just being old. Springs cyclically fatigue due to being used, this is called metallurgy.

If you have not already you will need to drill the lower intake to accept the Air Charge Temperature (ACT) sensor in the #5 runner. If you send it to TMoss you can ask and see if he will do it for you or watch this video (pretty decent):

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSO_3Zwrrc8


If you have not already ditch the lower intake to cylinder head bolts and run studs. See here, Post #7:

https://www.corral.net/threads/reasonable-number-of-lower-intake-retorque-intake-whistle.2515400/#post-18736323

I would also suggest that on aluminum heads you heli-coil the threaded holes where the intake attaches if you do use bolts as they have a tendency to pull the threads. I did it on my Edelbrocks and my AFR's and I am using studs on both as it only took stripping one to teach me a lesson.

You can make a TDC tool which takes all the guessing out of finding TDC. Some like this approach and others complain its overkill but when you do it this way there is no doubt where TDC is (Post #27):

Engine - Can't get the motor to fire.

Pretty much anytime someone has the distributor out, does internal engine work that involves rotating the engine, and then it won’t start when all back together is because the distributor is 180* out. Ask me how I know lol.
stangnet.com

Probably late on all of this but figured if anything maybe its a good read and will spark some discussion.
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Awesome post. Lots for me to read and consume. Thank you
 

JAA

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2 pesky bolts remaining drivers side on the exhaust. Trying to take it slow

 

JAA

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JAA

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Kinda tight trying to pull out. Should I take off the rockers and push rods before trying to take off the head?
 

JAA

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Passenger side out, lol
 
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Monkeybutt2000

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Why didn't you unbolt the headers from the h-pipe?
 

JAA

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And my back says that’s enough

 

JAA

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Still missing one of them passenger side push rods … I’m sure it will show up eventually. Lol
 

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Monkeybutt2000 said:
Why didn't you unbolt the headers from the h-pipe?
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Great question

They were pretty rusty. I was worried I would strip the bolts and muck it all up. I may do this anyway now …
 

JAA

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Question - how do I know if I need to get my new GT40 heads machined up?

What I have been reading is that as long as they weren’t removed for some acute issue, the are most likely good and don’t need to be touched up.

Thoughts?
 

AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes
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I suggested how to check the valve to seat with gasoline. Other than that you will need a machine shop quality straight edge to check how flat the heads are and a tool to check closed and open pressures on the springs. Again, you are going this far so why not just take them to a reputable shop and have them look them over?
 

JAA

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AeroCoupe said:
I suggested how to check the valve to seat with gasoline. Other than that you will need a machine shop quality straight edge to check how flat the heads are and a tool to check closed and open pressures on the springs. Again, you are going this far so why not just take them to a reputable shop and have them look them over?
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Excellent point. Pretty much what I was expecting.

Having never been to a machine shop before, is there anything I need to do to prep the heads? Any advice in choosing a machine shop?
 

JAA

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Thanks again @AeroCoupe - I read your recommendations a few more times. I think I would like to go that route. It’s a good bit more than I thought I would have to do but let’s do it right and be done with it.

I think I would like to do the 24lb injectors and 75mm MAF. I will email TMoss and get his availability for porting the lower intake.

There are a lot new terms I need to learn. I think a good first step here will be for me to itemize my steps and include pictures. More to come!
 

AeroCoupe

lube between the nut and the face. I know my lubes
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That would be a good idea. Also, you need to have a firm grip on what your goals are. For instance, if your goal is 275 rwhp then you are going to need a cam to go with the heads and intakes. The GT40 heads with the Cobra upper and ported lower will definitely change how it was before. Another option is to research dropping 1.7 ratio roller rockers on the heads like the 93 Cobras had which will help some as well. I am not sure what you are going to get into push rod wise but you should make sure that the stock length is going to work or if you will need different ones and that is even if you stay with the stock ratio rockers.

Choosing a machine shop is almost as important as choosing the right girl to marry (I said almost ladies). I would start another thread on just this and I am 100% sure some of the members here will chime in on where to go. If you have to drive and hour or two that is not uncommon so just saying.

Again, its a lot to throw at a person but get a plan and move forward. The guys here can literally walk you through the whole process even push rod length.
 
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JAA said:
Great question

They were pretty rusty. I was worried I would strip the bolts and muck it all up. I may do this anyway now …
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Just soak them down real good with some penetrating lubricant. Try and heat them with some heat too,a MAP gas torch works great and is cheap.
 
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Monkeybutt2000 said:
Just soak them down real good with some penetrating lubricant. Try and heat them with some heat too,a MAP gas torch works great and is cheap.
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Thanks. Got one of those and will do this.
 
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JAA said:
Thanks. Got one of those and will do this.
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Also,and impact driver will be your friend here. Since you already removed the heads,the headers are probably going to fight you if you try a regular socket wrench setup. The "impact" motion should knock those nuts right off.
 

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Monkeybutt2000 said:
Also,and impact driver will be your friend here. Since you already removed the heads,the headers are probably going to fight you if you try a regular socket wrench setup. The "impact" motion should knock those nuts right off.
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Thanks. Best purchase I ever made was my 1/2 Dewalt impact. I wouldn’t even be trying this in New England without it.
 
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