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codemonkey

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What a weekend. So I decide on saturday to put in the GT-40 heads and Trick flow cam. I've put this off for a couple months and due to different constraints never got around to it.

This weekend, I got all the parts together, and decided to hit with my little brother. We got it tore down really fast, but decided to really take our time putting it back together, and make sure it was done right. The whole job took 11 hours, with an hour for lunch, and some BSing time when buddies stopped by.

Which got me in trouble.

A few buddies swung by to chit chat and some even pitched in to help for an hour or two. One of those buddies put in the pushrods, lifters and keepers in while I bolted up the exhaust.

We ended up wrapping it up about 11pm at night saturday, and My old spark plugs didnt fit, so we called it a night without firing it.

After a (hellish) time trying to find spark plugs for the new heads. (which ended up being Autolite 764s from a 95 lightning) I called Bryan (the guy I bought the heads from), Jeff, my dad, everyone trying to narrow it down.
After more than a few tries, buying one plug at a time and trying it, we found a plug that fit.

Then I had to run some errands, and I came back tonight to put the plugs in and fire it up for the first time. The first time cranking it, it wouldnt fire and made a weird sound. I stopped, and called Jeff (again) and asked for some advice, and then we checked everything and fired it again.

After a few cranks, and twisting the distributor around, we cranked it and the starter bogged down really hard and I heard a really loud pop and crunching and snapping. I got out of the car and slowly walked around. Sounded like a timing chain. I turned the crank by hand and the rotor didnt move.

So we figured time to pull it apart and see what went wrong. While we were fishing for wrenches, we found one of the guides for the lifters. We didnt think to double check Tony's work, because it was such a simple task. Lesson: There is no detail too small in a motor

It really sucks. What I think happened here is one or both of the lifters with no guide turned sideways and bound up the cam, snapping my timing chain, or breaking the cam itself. We decided to call it a night again, and tear it down later. There could be minimal damage from this (new cam, lifters) but I wont know till I pull it apart. There could be some serious damage and chunks in the oil pan.

Lessons from this experience so far:


Parts store databases really vary on plugs for 80s-90s fords (explorers, stangs etc)

Lots of knowledge gained about GT40s (spending a couple hours on the internet searching about plugs for them)

If you have JBA shorties, you cant get to the lower head bolts on the passenger side without removing the header. If you dont want to remove the header, you can pull the nut off your motor mount and jack the motor up enough to get to the bolts.

Marking everything and taking photos really helped with reassembly.

There is no such thing as too small of a detail.

Lifter guides are really important. Turns out you need all 8 of them.

I'll keep you guys posted on and post pics if I really chewed up something. I was thinking of going with a new motor this year anyway, so I may end up getting a short block and just putting all my parts on that and doing a full autopsy on the old block.
 

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PNW LSC

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Hopefully it won't be too bad. But, you won't know for sure 'til it's opened up again.

When I put my engine together I did it all myself, just had a friend help put it in. That way if something went wrong I could only blame myself.
 

281pony

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reminds me when i was building my engine on the stand. it was finished, i was getting ready to test fit the distributor in there, and it was just flopping around. i thought wtf?

looked on the table and there was the pump driveshaft for some reason i had filled it with oil already too on the stand, dont ask me why. after another hour or so though, the pan was back on with the driveshaft installed.

hope everything works out. cam/timing chain gasket installs suck with the shortblock in the car.
 

The Factor

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Thats sucks bro!!!!!
 

hollant

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I feel lucky that my build went a bit better...





I fugure it was beginners luck!
 

SMOKEDYA

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well that sucks sorry to hear this, whitch is another reason i do all my work as well, with the help of someone that always helps me or i always help. I was just talking to brian i think on saturday and was asking if he knew if you were going to use them heads, i almost bought them off him but figured since i got the deal of the world on mine i would pass till i came across some alumn's cheap. peace



john
 

codemonkey

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Nov 21, 2005
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Yeah, I'm still going to use the heads, even if it's on a new block. I'm pretty thankful for the deal brian gave me on those, they are really clean and in great condition. I had them checked out before installing and they are essentially perfect, didn't need planing or anything. Can't wait to see what they do.
 

hungrymonkey

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that sucks.

for a minute there I thought you were going to say that the spark plug made contact with a piston.

hopefully it all checks out ok.
 

loud 95

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When I did my HCI install a few years ago, one friend stopped bye during the disassembly. The only thing he did was pull the distributor. His stupid ass didn't mark cap/rotor position. I had to have one of my mechanic friends re-stab the distributor. Friends helping = trouble
 

stock50LX

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Some small bits of advice for the future:

Put the rotor on number 1 wire position before beginning any teardown; that means top-dead-center (or close to it)

Use a freezer bag and label all the fasteners and small parts that come from each segment of the job.

Double check each phase: put drivers side head on, then recheck your work; passenger side head, recheck; intake etc.

Plugs should not have taken that long. Gt40 heads came on 93-95 Cobras and similar year Lighnings, just look those up or inquire from us here on line.
 

Warbird19

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Good advise Stock50lx Also to add to this, if you dont know. On your lower intake manifold always use a thin beed of Black rtv on the water ports on the gaskets, And a fatty beed on the front and rear. Dont use the cork or rubber gaskets, its a trick getting them not to leak. I had noticable power gains with the Gt-40 head, I think you will like them. Have fun.
 

SMOKEDYA

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hollant, can you post any pis of that 95 cobra r in your sig? peace



john
 

codemonkey

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Nov 24, 2005
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yeah, next time it will be just my brother and I. We've done projects together for years working on each other's cars, and never had problems. The last 2 projects on the stang have gone bad and I think adding in extra buddies is the factor that screws us. I had to take it up to AFP last time because of all the vaccuum leaks I had and trying to assemble it too quickly so I could get home. This time we really took our time, but we had too much help apparently.

I have to drop a 350 in my truck saturday, so I think thats a process thats simple enough we can't screw it up.
 
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