Stalling in very hot weather.

My Stang stalls when it gets over 100 out. It stalls when I come to a stop then usually can be restarted. Sometimes it has to cool down for 10-15 minutes then will start like nothing happened.

Another thing is when hot out it will occasionally drop from a cruise of 75mph and die out to 60 mph and then recatch and drive normally....

Here's the facts:
Stock 89 GT, 5 speed, 170,000+ miles

New dizzy and TFI, cleaned MAF sensor, new pump, new plugs/wires, KN filter, new transmission, fuel regulator, new TPS, new MAP, cleaned 10 pins, cleaned EGR, throttle plates, new PCV and screen, good fuel pressures, new VSS

Codes thrown
67

Continuous memory codes
66
96

So I trouble shot the MAF...
12V A - B
D-Pin 50 Good continuity
C-Pin 9 Good
D-Gnd Infinite
C-Gnd Infinite

Pin 50 at idle .68 - .80 V

Since intermittent I'm thinking new MAF though the voltage appears right. Other choice was to replace the computer but that is usually pretty reliable.

What do you guys think? I figuring MAF.....

Where is a good place to get a stock MAF?

Thanks!
Mikey
 
Code 96 – KOEO- Fuel pump monitor circuit shows no power - Fuel pump relay or battery power
feed was open - Power / Fuel Pump Circuits. The fuel pump lost power at some time while the ignition
switch was in the run position.

Look for a failing fuel pump relay, bad connections or broken wiring. The fuel pump relay is located under
the Mass Air Meter on Fox bodied stangs built after 91. On earlier model cars is under the passenger seat.
On Mass Air Conversions, the signal lead that tells the computer that the fuel pump has power may not
have been wired correctly.

See MAF - Mustang Mass Air Conversion - StangNet - The Mustang Network

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
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Look for power at the fuel pump - the fuel pump has a connector at the rear of the car with a pink/black
wire and a black wire that goes to the fuel pump. The pink/black wire should be hot when the test
connector is jumpered to the test position. . To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test
connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground.
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86-90 Models:
Using the diagram, check the red/black wire from the fuel pump relay: you should see 12 volts or so.
If not, check the inertia switch: on a hatch it is on the drivers side by the taillight. Look for a black rubber
plug that pops out: if you don't find it, then loosen up the plastic trim. Check for voltage on both sides of
the switch. If there is voltage on both sides, then check the Pink/black wire on the fuel pump relay: it is the
power feed to the fuel pump. Good voltage there, then the fuel pump is the likely culprit since it is getting
power. No voltage there, check the Orange/Lt blue wire, it is the power feed to the fuel pump relay & has a
fuse link in it. Good voltage there & at the Pink/black wire, swap the relay.

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So my question is, did the low voltage on the MAF (Code 66) cause a shut down of the fuel relay via the computer, thereby setting Code 96?

I have an EEC IV Monitor with a recorder and captured data during multiple cruise hesitations. it showed during the hesitation that the MAF at pin 50 dropped to 1.6v once, another time 0.9v, then 1.42v, then 1.27v, then 1.98v then .99v, then 1.27v......each time was a cruise at 75mph with a hesitation drop to 60 mph then a catch back to normal operation back to the 75 mph cruise.....MAF was showing as low as idle instead of 60 mph and 20-40mph when actual was 60mph, hence my vote for an intermittent MAF. Make sense?

With the full stall after a hot stop that took 10-15 min to recover, I hit the schrader and had pressure at the fuel rail...although I didn't have anything to measure what the actual pressure was. No, didn't notice pump noise...didn't think of listening.
 
The two codes are not linked in any shape form, or fashion. They are separate animals living in the same forest.

Check the fuel pump relay socket and wiring for corrosion and heat damage.

A tire gauge can be used as a crude pressure tester if a fuel pressure test gauge isn't available.

Loss of fuel pressure will cause the engine to shut down and decrease the airflow through the MAF. That would account for the strange MAF voltage readings you got.
 
Hmmm...interesting.

Is code 96 the power (contact) voltage or the control (coil) voltage?

I'm thinking the MAF would be more ambient temp sensitive than anything in the fuel power/control circuits.

For the cruise hesitation, pin 22, FP remained unchanged at .85 for three different fails. I didn't have the monitor on the hot stop stalls unfortunately.

The fuel pressure I mentioned earlier was residual...after the stall with key off. Don't carry a tire gauge in the car (have 5 cars). Have both a fuel pressure gauge and an adapter for my EEC IV monitor.

Still thinking MAF. Am I correct that MAF would be more probable than computer?
 
I can record 8 parameters with my set up. If I have to, I can hook everything up and run my fuel pressure adapter to see which it is...fuel pressure or MAF voltage....or, just shell out the money for a MAF and use swap-tronics....I'd rather not gamble and be stranded as the 100+ weather is located just under an hour commute....long expensive tow if it won't re-start.

The two may be so close together you won't be able to tell.......so, which would be more intermittent? MAF or fuel delivery?
 
Check the fuel pump relay socket for corrsion and damage. The 96 code moitors loss of electrical power to the pump.
It does not see any of the voltage on the relay coil (control side of the circuit)

Here's the theory so you can better understand how it works...

Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 86-90 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the upper RH corner to
ground.
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If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built
before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump
relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The
switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch
(red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the
relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground
path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and
close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage
to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no
ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump
relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power
flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). Notice that
pin 19 on the computer is the monitor to make sure the pump has power.
The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.


Diagram courtesy of AutoZone

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Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, bad ignition switch or ignition
switch wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector somewhere under the
driver’s side kick panel, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously
described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power
for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a
broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the
inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia
switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the
Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

Pump wiring: Anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position and the test
point is jumpered to ground, there should be at least 12 volts present on the
black/pink wire. With power off, check the pump ground: you should see less
than 1 ohm between the black wire and chassis ground.

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The yellow wire is the fuel tank sender to the fuel quantity gage. The two black wires are grounds.
One ground is for the fuel tank sender and the other is the fuel pump. The ground for the fuel pump
may be larger gauge wire that the fuel tank sender ground wire.

Make sure that the power is off the circuit before making any resistance checks. If the circuit
is powered up, your resistance measurements will be inaccurate.


You should see less than 1 Ohm between the black wire(s) and ground. To get some idea of what
a good reading is, short the two meter leads together and observe the reading. It should only be
slightly higher when you measure the black wire to ground resistance.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test
lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the
Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a
broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test
the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and
disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test
lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel
pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.
Probe computer pin 22 with a safety pin and ground it to chassis. Make sure the computer
and everything else is connected. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position and observe
the fuel pressure. The pump should run at full pressure.
If it doesn't, the wiring between pin 22 on the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.
If it does run at full pressure, the computer may have failed.

Keep in mind that the computer only runs the fuel pump for about 2-3 seconds when you turn
the key to the Run position. This can sometimes fool you into thinking the computer has died.
Connect one lead of the test light to power and the other lead to computer pin 22 with a safety pin.
With the ignition switch Off, jumper the computer into self test mode like you are going to dump
the codes. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. The light will flicker when the computer
does the self test routine. A flickering light is a good computer. No flickering light is a bad computer.
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood.

Fuel pump runs continuously: The fuel pump relay contacts are stuck together or the Tan/Lt Green wire
has shorted to ground. Remove the fuel pump relay from its socket. Then disconnect the computer and use
an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the Tan/Lt Green wire and ground. You should see
more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t
jumpered to ground.
If the wiring checks out good, then the computer is the likely culprit.

Prior to replacing the computer, check the computer power ground. The computer has its own
dedicated power ground that comes off the ground pigtail on the battery ground wire. Due to
it's proximity to the battery, it may become corroded by acid fumes from the battery. It is a
black cylinder about 2 1/2" long by 1" diameter with a black/lt green wire. You'll find it up
next to the starter solenoid where the wire goes into the wiring harness

If all of the checks have worked OK to this point, then the computer is bad. The
computers are very reliable and not prone to failure unless there has been
significant electrical trauma to the car. Things like lightning strikes and putting
the battery in backwards or connecting jumper cables backwards are about the
only thing that kills the computer.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) &
Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

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So pin 19 throws Code 96, not pin 22?

I'll check the relay.....

Hey, do you have a complete troubleshooting manual I could purchase, either a hard copy or electronic? Your stuff is really good! I have many manuals and the combination seems to really help.
 
So pin 19 throws Code 96, not pin 22?

I'll check the relay.....

Hey, do you have a complete troubleshooting manual I could purchase, either a hard copy or electronic? Your stuff is really good!
I have many manuals and the combination seems to really help.

The code descriptions and tech notes are all my original work. My electro-mechanical background and the time I have spent here
on Stangnet have enabled me to put it together to help my fellow Stangnetters. I don't have a complete manual, so I post items
as they pop up. Everything gets reviewed and updated as I spend time here, so none of it is out of date or in need of revision.

Joe R.