steath stock combo opinions

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I bought an 89 5.0 5 speed hatch a few moths ago in pristine condition.Got it from the original owner,a lady and was garaged since new.I want to have a fun project and do hard to or can't detect mods to make a fun street car with excellent torque.I have a TMOSS lower,ported upper,65mm FRPP t-body and spacer,pulleys.I plan on 1.7 RR,pulling the heads and doing a port job,TFS spring kit and a 3 angle valve job.I had a hatch before with ported E7's[by me]explorer intake 1.7RR,stock cam,T5,4.10's and ran 13.3 on street tires.My questions are
1.what gears 3.55 or 3.73?
2.how much can I cut the heads for a little extra squeeze without intake sealing problems? .020?
3.stock MAF OK for my intentions?
Any input or opinions welcome,this should be fun.
 
I wouldn't bother with ford heads unless you were running a class . . .

get some windsor sr heads, all it takes is a die grinder and they look like a production head.

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stock 92 shortblock
stock cam
1.7s
ported RPM-II
65mm throttle body
Roush 200 (windsor sr) heads ported by chris howe
1 5/8 shorties
2 1/2" flowmaster to 2 1/4" tailpipes
t5, 3.73s

sounded and idled like stock
 

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what about the t-bird 70mm maf,it looks stock and will bolt to the stock bracket? I had a 700mm 94/94 maf on my last 2 cars,worked great after milling off flange but couldn't use bracket.
 
t-bird and 93 cobra have the same 70mm mass air meter. Its a great stock upgrade.
Some T-birds have the same 70mm MAF as the 93 Cobra. That MAF is not useful at all for a stock system!

Use the sensor off the factory meter in your car.
Please. NEVER EVER swap electronics on MAFs - NEVER! C&L is a joke company and their products are a huge joke. Every MAF electronic assembly must be custom tuned to a specific and unique MAF body. It's a PURE CR*P SHOOT swapping electronics to same exact style and model MAFs.

Plus, it makes no sense at all to swap the electronics between 2 different model MAFs. The air flow characteristics are all different. And the percentage of the air flow through the sensors are all different.


If someone could design it so that the required accuracy could be obtained without custom tunning the electronics, then DO IT and make a zillion-trillion dollars! :)

FWIW: I'm now doing my third first in a particular industry design that allows for the electronics to be custom tuned (without the $$ way that it used to be done, or the $$$ Auto OEMs do it). Custom tuning electronics have been done for many years. Actually, since the industry started. :) It's now becoming more common in more industries. Still, there is a *long* way to go (good for me I guess :)).

A simple cheap 10-bit ADC (analog to digital converter) gives 1024 values over the voltage range. That's a means an accuracy of better than 0.1% is needed in the analog and other electronics if you don't want to just measure real-life tolerances (and noise). In reality, over temperature and voltage, that's very hard to do. That's why for when accuracy is needed in a more than a few units and they don't want to spend the $$ doing custom tuning the "old ways", they hire consultants ($$$$$ - but cheaper when spread out over _many_ units) like me.

FWIW: I can get a self contained "system on a chip" that has a 14-bit ADC (~16K values over the voltage range), CPU that executes ~5 million instructions per second, EEPROM (Flash), RAM, timers, and a ton of other good things for less than $5 - yes less than five dollars! But, getting overall analog accuracy (over temp, voltage, many units, etc) better than 1% (without high component costs) is still not common.
http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=CY8C29466-24SXIT-ND
CY8C29466-24SXIT ; Program Memory Size 32K x 8 ; RAM Size 2K x 8 ;
Number of I /O 24 ; Speed 24MHz ; Controller Series CY8C29 PSOC™ ;
Data Converters A/D 4x14b; D/A 4x9b
 
Some T-birds have the same 70mm MAF as the 93 Cobra. That MAF is not useful at all for a stock system!


Please. NEVER EVER swap electronics on MAFs - NEVER! C&L is a joke company and their products are a huge joke. Every MAF electronic assembly must be custom tuned to a specific and unique MAF body. It's a PURE CR*P SHOOT swapping electronics to same exact style and model MAFs.

For what it's worth, what I said to do WORKS! I have done it on many cars and I have seen it done by many people on this board without problams. C&L may be a industry joke but the product they sell shows power on the dyno. I am not debateing that spending $500 for a flip chip and dyno tune will net more power. What I suggested is to get what is basically a junkyard C&L for $20 and get the most out of his combo on the cheap and still be useing factory parts,which is what the OP said they wanted. "stealth"
As for the rest of what you posted im sure it is all true and makes since to 3 other people on this board. As of this moment I aint one of the 3:shrug: