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ry94stang50

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Yeah the stant superstat I have now does nothave that hole...pos! Luckily my stang is a vert so I wwon't notice the heat.....it doesn't blow hot neway
 

joetrainer31

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ry94stang50 said:
Yeah the stant superstat I have now does nothave that hole...pos! Luckily my stang is a vert so I wwon't notice the heat.....it doesn't blow hot neway
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I didn't think it would blow hot, but I'm hoping to buy you time on the way home if you choose to drive it.
 

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ry94stang50 said:
Yeah the stant superstat I have now does nothave that hole...pos! Luckily my stang is a vert so I wwon't notice the heat.....it doesn't blow hot neway
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Please do all yourselves a favor and buy this ..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001A4EAV0/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Makes filling and burping the coolant system on just about any motor easy and clean. :]
 

joetrainer31

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k00ksta said:
Please do all yourselves a favor and buy this ..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001A4EAV0/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Makes filling and burping the coolant system on just about any motor easy and clean. :]
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Interesting. I'm curious, how does this product overcome the limited bleeding capacity of the thermostat hole?
 

k00ksta

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joetrainer31 said:
Interesting. I'm curious, how does this product overcome the limited bleeding capacity of the thermostat hole?
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For one .. the fill is higher then the highest point of the motor .. which helps once the thermo opens up to push coolant into the motor and bubble up the air .. it also helps so it does not spit coolant all over the place when it finally does open it or when your squeezing the top radiator hose. I have burped my coolant system numerous times and this product for the price keeps it clean and seems to do a great job burping it.

Take it or leave it its not required of course ..
 

5.0 Ford Guy

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Makes no sense to me. The air pocket will be in the engine, not the rad right?
 

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5.0 Ford Guy said:
Makes no sense to me. The air pocket will be in the engine, not the rad right?
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Yes of course its in the engine but once that thermostat opens up the coolant will force the air out of the motor which this will help aid it. This is why people say "jack the front of the car up or put it on an incline" so this helps with that as well.

Check out you tube many people use this tool.

http://www.youtube.com/results?sear....4j2.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.4cKHHs6z4Yw
 

joetrainer31

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5.0 Ford Guy said:
Makes no sense to me. The air pocket will be in the engine, not the rad right?
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Yes, the problem is getting the air pocket out of the core and block. I could see how this would help with coolant loss out of the rad, but the rad simply must be the highest point of the system for proper bleeding. Air bubbles are lighter than water thus they float up when in water. That's why you want the highest point to be the rad which has an opening for the air to escape. However, this transaction of water and air must still go through the thermostat hole(s) on its way out.

Maybe there is something I'm not understanding with this tool?
 

joetrainer31

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k00ksta said:
Yes of course its in the engine but once that thermostat opens up the coolant will force the air out of the motor which this will help aid it. This is why people say "jack the front of the car up or put it on an incline" so this helps with that as well.

Check out you tube many people use this tool.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lisle burping&oq=lisle &gs_l=youtube.3.0.35i39j0l9.234.818.0.1715.6.6.0.0.0.0.173.670.4j2.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.4cKHHs6z4Yw
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Are there any instances of this tool being used on 86-95 mustangs on YouTube? These cars are notorious for bleeding issues precisely due to the poor design which relies on that thermostat hole.
 

88stang88

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To me it looks like a safe guard from spilling coolant all over the place whenever the t-stat opens and it will return that coolant once the air flows out instead of refilling yourself

I would still jack up the cars front end and use the same process.
 
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joetrainer31 said:
Are there any instances of this tool being used on 86-95 mustangs on YouTube? These cars are notorious for bleeding issues precisely due to the poor design which relies on that thermostat hole.
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Not sure on you tube but a web search will show you many people use this funnel to help with burping the system. I have used it for years on my 95 when ever I have drained the coolant system. Like everything its just my 2 cents in helping not make a mess and aid in filling/burping the system I also do jack up the front of the car.

I have never drilled a hole in any thermostat I have ever owned but I do see how that would benefit burping.
 

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88stang88 said:
To me it looks like a safe guard from spilling coolant all over the place whenever the t-stat opens and it will return that coolant once the air flows out instead of refilling yourself

I would still jack up the cars front end and use the same process.
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I think jacking is still necessary too, unless kOOksta is trying to say that because the unit is sealed on the rad that it effectively raises the rad's level as if it were jacked up. Am I understanding you kOOksta?
 

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88stang88 said:
To me it looks like a safe guard from spilling coolant all over the place whenever the t-stat opens and it will return that coolant once the air flows out instead of refilling yourself

I would still jack up the cars front end and use the same process.
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That makes sense!
 

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i've simply used a thermostat housing with a removal pipe thread plug to burp the system. I screw in a piece of small pipe into the hole and let that burp the system. Works like a charm. Ford has always recommended jacking up the car to get the radiator up in the air.

I've also done the following on several cars with success- hooked up a 2 liter coke bottle inverted 1/2 filled with coolant, drilled a hole in the cap, and ran a hose into the coke bottle and attached it to the overflow nipple on the radiator, I use a stant lever type cap and leave the lever up to disengage the cap from pressurizing. Works the same as this Lisle funnel but $30 cheaper.
 

ry94stang50

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I've been reading the reviews of that funnel thing and everything I've heard is good a lotof mechanics swear by that thing even my hotrod buddy uses it and previously had success with a fox mustang....tthat's the same enging right just different setup to work with the sn95?
 

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ry94stang50 said:
I've been reading the reviews of that funnel thing and everything I've heard is good a lotof mechanics swear by that thing even my hotrod buddy uses it and previously had success with a fox mustang....tthat's the same enging right just different setup to work with the sn95?
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Same engine, same basic cooling system.
 

88stang88

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Yes same engine same cooling design.

Mikestang you may have problems with that lever type cap. I have had two on my 95 and it was nothing but a problem maker.

I will always use a standard pressure cap. No need to use anything fancy when it works the way Ford designed it to.
 
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88stang88 said:
Yes same engine same cooling design.

Mikestang you may have problems with that lever type cap. I have had two on my 95 and it was nothing but a problem maker.

I will always use a standard pressure cap. No need to use anything fancy when it works the way Ford designed it to.
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Bingo! Problems here too with the lever caps. Yet, I've had nothing but problems with the standard caps as well. That's why I switched to Motorcraft parts for things like that. I was getting dud parts out of the box with aftermarkets.
 

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ry94stang50 said:
I've been reading the reviews of that funnel thing and everything I've heard is good a lotof mechanics swear by that thing even my hotrod buddy uses it and previously had success with a fox mustang....tthat's the same enging right just different setup to work with the sn95?
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Man, just jack the danged thing up, pour the water, and get that good lobster hand working. You guys are making this too hard!
 

88stang88

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Yes, I have had serious concern with all these cheap aftermarket parts such as t-stats and caps. They never fail to leave me on the side of the road.

Lobster hand technique is always a alternative to making a funnel...you just make a good sized coolant mess in the process.
 
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