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I have the 3g alternator upgrade on my 87 lx notch and it's worked great for me for years. Now the all the lights on the car and the amp gauge constantly surge up and down. It's fine at idle but as soon as the revs come up the problem starts. A shop tested my battery and said it was good and they rebuilt the alternator and it still does it. They gave up then and said the car was too customized. I also tried a brand new alternator and it didn't change either. I've disconnected all the accesories off the battery to eliminate any of that stuff with no change. I've cleaned up the grounds going from the engine block to the battery and to the body of the car with no luck. Anybody have any suggestions?
 

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The 2G was standard equipment and had an external fan and a 65 amp output.

The 3G upgrade was a modification that used a 130 amp alternator with an internal fan. It came from a 94-95 Mustang, and used a 4 gauge fused power lead and a 4 gauge engine to body ground. The 4 gauge power wire bolted to a 1/4" bolt on the back of the alternator.

Which alternator do you have?

See Stangnet 3G install sticky 3G Alternator Install: A How To - Mustang Forums at StangNet for more information on the 3G alternator installation.
 
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oops! I have the 3g.
 

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Grounds are important to any electrical system, and especially to
computer controlled engines. In an automobile, the ground is
the return path for power to get back to the alternator and battery.


1.) The main power ground is from engine block to battery: it is
the power ground for the starter & alternator.

2.) The secondary power ground is between the back of the
intake manifold and the driver's side firewall. It is often missing or
loose. It supplies ground for the alternator, A/C compressor
clutch and other electrical accessories such as the gauges.
Any car that has a 3G or high output current alternator needs
a 4 gauge ground wire running from the block to the chassis
ground where the battery pigtail ground connects.

The 3G has a 130 amp capacity, so you wire the power side
with 4 gauge wire. It stands to reason that the ground side
handles just a much current, so it needs to be 4 gauge too.

The picture shows the common ground point for the battery & extra 3G
alternator ground wire as described above in paragraph 2. A screwdriver
points to the bolt that is the common ground point.
The battery common ground is a 10 gauge pigtail with the computer ground
attached to it.

Picture courtesy timewarped1972


Correct negative battery ground cable.
 
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Hey thanks! That's some good info. I'll have to start looking at my car again and hopefully try to solve this.
 
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Well, I haven't been here for quite some time but still need help with my electrical issues. I recently got the bug to work on my car and wen't through the whole 3g swap. Wen't through all that good info I was given and it all seems to check out ok. Have a new battery now, ran some extra grounds but my problem is still there. It's like the voltage regulator is turning on and off again constantly. Any more ideas to check anyone?
 

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Have AutoZone or one of the auto parts chain stores check the alternator in the car. They will test it for free...
 
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I have a rebuilt one in my car right now that the shop tested fine. I wen't out and bought a brand new one as well tried it and same thing. Just frustrated here! Keep the ideas coming though it's much appreciated.
 
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