T5z vs tkx , cost and value.

ChaseRoads · Mar 28, 2022

Been Collecting parts for a 5 speed swap in my 91 auto.

I decided I’d rather have a new or rebuilt trans.

This puts me in an interesting spot.

A new or rebuilt t5z will run between 1600-2200, a tkx will run around 2800, plus the cost of a bell housing. Shifter , and clutch. So maybe 1000-1500 more for a trans that seams to be much more robust.

I’m wondering if I’d be better off to save a little longer and get the tko and have something that’s a lot more future proof. Ive not researched it much so I don’t know if there are additional parts and cost that I missed.

As it stands, I already have the pedals , a t5 bell housing , and a few of the oddball parts but nothing big to force me
To stick to one trans.

Anyway, what are your Guys’s thoughts?

ebone84 · Mar 28, 2022

What will the car be use for daily driver or race car...... that may help to answer your question and save you some money ...... I know typical answer

ChaseRoads · Mar 28, 2022

ebone84 said:
What will the car be use for daily driver or race car...... that may help to answer your question and save you some money ...... I know typical answer

A cruiser/street car. Maybe super charged long term, but nothing any time soon.

Mustang5L5 · Mar 28, 2022

ChaseRoads said:
Anyway, what are your Guys’s thoughts?

Mixed opinions. I'm kinda one to say "Do it once, do it right" But at the same time you may stick with a T-5Z and have years of trouble-free driving based on how you drive, and what your needs are.

Is the extra cost going to break the bank for you? If not, then it might make sense to save a little bit longer and future proof your setup.

Figure the extra cost is an insurance policy. You can save a few bucks and run the T5z and it may blow up, or it may survive everything you throw at it and never have an issue.

limp · Mar 28, 2022

I am too old to use other peoples worn out junk.... If you get a used T-5 and it has some problems, it can add up fast....
What about getting a new World Class T5 and that would bolt up to what you have?????
How much are they now $1900 or so??
I toyed with doing that but my car had a SROD transmission, so the bellhousing bolted right up to a TKX........

Mustang5L5 · Mar 28, 2022

limp said:
What about getting a new World Class T5 and that would bolt up to what you have?????
How much are they now $1900 or so??

They only sell the T-5z these days and they are about $2100-2200

Blown88GT · Mar 28, 2022

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I had my T5 converted to a T5Z with additional upgrades,
i.e. .295 1st gear, Steel Bearing Retainer, Higher Alloy Steel, Cluster Support Plate, 3rd/4th/C/s are Cryo treated, 3/4 assembly has solid HD keys, choice of overdrive 59/64%, 500hp rated.
Cost the same as a new T5Z. Downside was a long wait time, i.e. no transmission for 10 weeks.

90sickfox · Mar 28, 2022

I opted for the TKO600 right before the TKX came out. I'm very happy with it. Hanlon Motorsports upgraded it and sold me everything I needed. They are the place to contact if you're looking for a transmission kit. They have everything and can do anything to either transmission. They even have all the stuff for a 3650 swap in a fox. That is the cheapest option right now. It's the stronger transmission from the 4.6 new edge gt.

ChaseRoads · Mar 28, 2022

did a quick break down of what left I need to purchase in general, then costs for each trans. Some parts are much more expensive on the tkx, like the shifter and clutch. We are looking at least $1600 difference. I'm also not sure I got all the tkx needed parts. I already have the pedals, dust cover, t5 cross member , ford motorsports throwout bearing, body harness. I'll shop around for the best deal on things, especially the trans, but I'm guessing the cost difference is gonna be at least 2K. For a car i'll never take to the track, I dunno If it's gonna be worth it for me.

manual swap parts		t5 specific parts/cost		tko specif parts/cost
upper boot	28	transmission	1950	transmission	2800
pilot bearing	15	shifter	70	shifter	210
trans hump kit	140	clutch kit/flywheel	180	clutch	269
clutch cable/quadrant	184			bell housing	308
spacer plate	40			cross member	155
clutch fork	50			slip yoke	95
trans mount	20
speedometer gear	15
	492		2200		3837	-1637

limp · Mar 29, 2022

Mustang5L5 said:
They only sell the T-5z these days and they are about $2100-2200

Ok, I was under the impression that the Z is a world class T5?
Still at 2200, and you already have the Bell? $900 savings right there vs going with the TKX.....

Mustang5L5 · Mar 29, 2022

limp said:
Ok, I was under the impression that the Z is a world class T5?
Still at 2200, and you already have the Bell? $900 savings right there vs going with the TKX.....

All T5s since 1985 have been world class. Really for the Mustang there were only two years of non-WC. It just refers to a synchro style. Even the 4-bangers were WC

ChaseRoads · Mar 29, 2022

Mustang5L5 said:
All T5s since 1985 have been world class. Really for the Mustang there were only two years of non-WC. It just refers to a synchro style. Even the 4-bangers were WC

Do you know if the t5z has the reverse synchro?

Mustang5L5 · Mar 29, 2022

ChaseRoads said:
Do you know if the t5z has the reverse synchro?

Not 100% sure but I think the post 92 Units should have it. It’s more like a reverse “brake” vs a synchro. You still gotta gently slide it into Reverse.

90sickfox · Mar 29, 2022

If anyone wanted to know...this is the TR3650 by Hanlon Motorsports. Cheaper option.

If you're really weighing your options call Hanlon. Bob, his son, or his wife would be glad to help you figure it out.

Mustang5L5 · Mar 30, 2022

Does it come with an adapter plate to bolt to a t5 bellhousing?

90sickfox · Mar 30, 2022

Mustang5L5 said:
Does it come with an adapter plate to bolt to a t5 bellhousing?

It bolts to a tko bellhousing. The t5 bell can be drilled for a TKO pattern.

View: https://youtu.be/juyL7IEpt80

limp · Mar 30, 2022

90sickfox said:
It bolts to a tko bellhousing. The t5 bell can be drilled for a TKO pattern.

View: https://youtu.be/juyL7IEpt80

Isn't there an input shaft length difference also?

Boostedpimp · Mar 30, 2022

If it were my money I would just skip right to the tkx and start enjoying it. From a value aspect having a tkx trans would probably be a solid selling point as well when the time came.

90sickfox · Mar 30, 2022

limp said:
Isn't there an input shaft length difference also?

I thought the only difference was the spline count. Not sure with a 3650. Those are questions for Hanlon. I opted to spend more for the built tko600 with proper gearing and strength for my set up. Everything from the back of my engine and including the yoke came from them.

limp · Mar 30, 2022

90sickfox said:
I thought the only difference was the spline count. Not sure with a 3650. Those are questions for Hanlon. I opted to spend more for the built tko600 with proper gearing and strength for my set up. Everything from the back of my engine and including the yoke came from them.

I didn't watch it but my comment was on the video about redrilling a T-5 to accept a tremec..... I think there is a length difference that the bellhousings "sort" out.. I spent a fair amount of time researching which way I wanted to go but my CRS kicks in.......
I left some comments on here do to costs, but I went the TKX and glad I did.....
My concern with the TKO style boxes is they are NO longer being made, the TKX replaced them,,, And its just not an external upgrade ( smaller case ) but the internals are based on the 6 speed magnum boxes, not an upgraded TKO......
I about peed my pants when I saw the price of the TKX.... Of course I come from the Era when I watched a brand new Muncie 4 speed come out of the Chevy dealer for my friends camaro for $249.........

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