The Complaint Department

[TR03Mach1]

IRS does not affect launch. Neither better nor worse. (Unless you break traction with a wheel, then IRS is better launch due to better control). If you want real launch, WAY out of Mustang class, drive a new Corvette (which has IRS).

Either way, driving is about a lot more than the dragstrip.

What the hell have you been smoking?? Tell all those guys with '03 Cobras with broken half shafts that IRS doesn't affect launch! Tell the Cobra owners who contact me on a regular basis asking if I would trade my solid live axle with them. As for Corvettes, I can spank a C5 out of the hole all day long, and I really have no use for any IRS to hang with the Cobras and 'vettes through the turns either. I think this obsession with IRS is some kind of brainwashing brought over from Europe and Japan to make US car buyers think they have to have it, when in reality, our roads are so much better than theirs that we don't NEED it.

 

[SVTdriver]

Now, if you want to make the Stang community look more Ricer, it's up to you, but I thought Stangers were the first one to recognize honestly the shortcomings of their Stangs...

I think there is a bigger difference than that between ricers and stangers.

 

[SVTdriver]

I have never seen a BMW that looks like the 05 'stang. Could you show it to me?

It's got 4 wheels. A steering wheel, Seatbelts, brakes, engine/tranny. So i guess you could say they are similar.

 

[tylers65]

sure... if true all cars would look like the Ford T...

Wrong, design and technology are 2 different things that sometimes go hand in hand. The Model T is gone because the design and technology was out dated. The 1998 and 1999 Mustang were nearly identical from a technology stand point but looked different from one another.

I'm sorry.... I thought I was on a Mustang forum... I'm not saying I will slay every owner of the 05, or go on shooting all Ford managers, I'm expressing my view. I do not think the design is original, and I do not think either than this is an "heritage" model. That's my humble opinion. I don't like the Fox body either. I think the mustang had a bad period in the 80's, and I'm not found of the new model. No biggy... I'll wait ten more years

Now, if you want to make the Stang community look more Ricer, it's up to you, but I thought Stangers were the first one to recognize honestly the shortcomings of their Stangs...

BTW, you're pulling a PowerBoss reply style.

You're right, you are in a Mustang forum. One that is here for those who want to know about the 2005 Mustang. Those who like it will stick around, those who do not like it will eventually leave, but don't come around and bad mouth the car that so many like and expect to get zero backlash.

Now I am not exactly sure what you mean by saying that I am being a "powerboss", but if you have any issue with the way I run this forum, might I suggest 1 of 2 things, 1, you bring it up to me in a PM and not in public, or 2 you don't come here at all.

When I say I am tired of the crying, it was not directed at you, it was a generalized statement regarding the current state of the 2005 Forum.

 

[Z28x]

THe Vette and '03-04 Cobra have no problems launching with IRS.

Now I have no problem with the the live axel, but most of the automotive public does. There is no reason Ford has to use the old school live axel when everyone else (350Z, GTO, RX8, G35) can make a RWD IRS 2+2 coupe. And don't say cost is the issue because even the sub-$20K RWD Pontiac Solstice can afford to have IRS.

If Ford wants to offer a live axel for drag racers than they should just come out and say it, although I don't think that most V6 owners will be drag racing.

I would have liked to see them come out with IRS across the board and then offer a live axel Mach 1 for those that want it.

 

[Enzora]

There are over six billion people in the world...

With numbers like that, there is a pretty good chance that no matter what design you choose, there are plenty of people who will find it absolutely beautiful and those who think it's hideous. Remember folks, there are people out there who think a bright yellow Aztek is stylish. It happens.

Am I thrilled with Ford's decision to go retro on the new Stang? No. But it's not the end of the world. I think they've done a pretty good job of it all, and
if nothing else, a new generation of Mustang will be out before you know it.

For those of you who flame every time someone criticizes the styling of the '05, calm down. People are entitled to their opinions. If they disagree with you, big deal. It's going to happen.

"You're wrong because you disagree with me" is not a great arguing strategy.

Thank you, and Good Day.

 

[SVTdriver]

THe Vette and '03-04 Cobra have no problems launching with IRS.

Now I have no problem with the the live axel, but most of the automotive public does. There is no reason Ford has to use the old school live axel when everyone else (350Z, GTO, RX8, 350Z) can make a RWD IRS 2+2 coupe. And don't say cost is the issue because even the sub-$20K RWD Pontiac Solstice can afford to have IRS.

If Ford wants to offer a live axel for drag racers than they should just come out and say it, although I don't think that most V6 owners will be drag racing.

I would have liked to see them come out with IRS across the board and then offer a live axel Mach 1 for those that want it.

Hey where did you see the solstice. I want to take a test drive in it to see how the IRS feels

 

[Goat1981]

There is no reason Ford has to use the old school live axel when everyone else (350Z, GTO, RX8, 350Z)...

What about the 350Z?

 

[drichard]

Wrong, design and technology are 2 different things that sometimes go hand in hand. The Model T is gone because the design and technology was out dated. The 1998 and 1999 Mustang were nearly identical from a technology stand point but looked different from one another.




You're right, you are in a Mustang forum. One that is here for those who want to know about the 2005 Mustang. Those who like it will stick around, those who do not like it will eventually leave, but don't come around and bad mouth the car that so many like and expect to get zero backlash.

Now I am not exactly sure what you mean by saying that I am being a "powerboss", but if you have any issue with the way I run this forum, might I suggest 1 of 2 things, 1, you bring it up to me in a PM and not in public, or 2 you don't come here at all.

When I say I am tired of the crying, it was not directed at you, it was a generalized statement regarding the current state of the 2005 Forum.

FYI "PowerBoss" is a member of this forum, who makes long and detailed responses by dissecting each post in many "quotes".

So, if I understand you well, I can go in the tech forums to say my engine is running great but I can't go there and discuss a problem I have with it... is that what you mean ?

I thought this was a forum about the 2005 Mustang, not a worshiping session.

Getting zero backlash is not my goal either. I give my opinion, and I know many will passionately disapprove, and that the fun of the forums. I am not the one crying because someone does not like my new toy... When will people learn how to deal with contradiction in this country ?

 

[SVTdriver]

Umm the 350z is not a 2+2 or do I have to post pics to prove it.

 

[Z28x]

Hey where did you see the solstice. I want to take a test drive in it to see how the IRS feels

Detroit auto show, they debuted the production version and announced the approximate price.

What about the 350Z?

it has IRS and is under $27,000 and RWD

 

[jcp123]

i agree, it is retro..too retro. it tries way too hard to be something it cant possibly be. as mentioned, you need chrome, exposed bumpers, much less plastic, etc to really pull off the look. thanks to the EPA eco-nazis and the bomper safety laws, among other things, it is downright illegal to really pull off a classic look if you wanted to go truly into that look

 

[SVTdriver]

You really like GM products don't you. The 350Z is still a 2 seater. And unless you get the stripped down no frills base model. You start going beyond $27k really fast. With the track and touring models going for $34k. The GTO is still priced to high for comparision to the gt and will always be. And as long as you don't put ANY options on the rx-8 the base 6 speed msrp is $27k. When they are talking about the gt loaded being $28k your agruing from a losing position. you can't argue money is not a factor then bring in cars that are more expensive. I'm not denying the solstice is a valid point. Although sinc eit is a roadster 2 seater with a cheaper 4 cylinder engine. The Solstice will be powered by a 2.4 liter, four-cylinder engine producing 170 horsepower. GM expects to sell about 20,000 of the small roadsters a year. I'm not even sur eit's a good comparision. But every other car is more expensive.

 

[PlatinumDevil]

Maybe they can give the new mustang fully independent suspension, and throw another V8 in the back and make it convertable between fwd and rwd, or maybe they should raise the mustang 5 inches and turn it into a truck, cause obviously we want something modern and apparently the mustang name means absolutely nothing. Actually why dont we throw on some chevy bow ties, some Z34, Z26, Z22, Z24, Z06 and C5 decals on there, to go along with the M3, Spyder and Type-R stickers all over the car. And we might as well give it dual 8 inch exhaust tips, coming off of 1.0 inch pipes, because its more modern. Actually why have 8 cylinders, lets take it down to 4, or maybe we can be even MORE modern and make a 15L 2 cylinder engine. And you know what, the Mustang weighs too much, lets take out all the seats and replace them with lawn chairs, but make sure we write recarro on them. Dont forget the cane dispensors because we want to please the senior citizens as well. Also give it a wheel chair ramp and make it convert into a minivan with a click of the "magic" button. Lets make it take 120 octane gas and have it constantly fed by Nitrous Oxide. (im not putting NOS cause that would require more stickers, and theres not enough room) Actually lets just redesign it to look exactly like the NSX err i mean Corvette, actually no... they're the same car, and call it a Mustang.

Anything you find wrong with the car, u can do in the aftermarket, thats whats so amazing, thats what aftermarkets actually for, making the car function the way you'd like it too. Of course, aftermarket means clear tailights and super white lights to blind other drivers and ground effects and big heavy spoilers and body kits now adays, but thats modern so do that too.

Personally i think the new mustang looks similiar to my Lumina Z34... so if it resembles a BMW apparently i drive a beemer woooo :canflag:

 

[SVTdriver]

Well it does have 4 wheels like a BMW. So the resemblance is pretty close.

 

[skywarp]

i agree, it is retro..too retro. it tries way too hard to be something it cant possibly be. as mentioned, you need chrome, exposed bumpers, much less plastic, etc to really pull off the look. thanks to the EPA eco-nazis and the bomper safety laws, among other things, it is downright illegal to really pull off a classic look if you wanted to go truly into that look

Agreed.

 

[pairofnines]

I can understand if you don't like something, I mean, if we loved it like it was, there wouldn't be much of an aftermarket. But having several threads about not liking it, sheesh, it's pointless. And I could maybe understand if they were kinda relevant, but getting upset because the muffler is showing, or because the Mustang will have a side fuel filler?!? Oh no, lets get our panties in a twist over that one. Let's just have 2 threads, those who like it, and those who don't. And if somebody makes a new thread if they like it or don't, then ban them, FOREVER. I have no problem with a element that you or anybody doesn't like, but it seems there are too many threads basically about the same things, and it's getting out of hand.

 

[Goat1981]

Detroit auto show, they debuted the production version and announced the approximate price.



it has IRS and is under $27,000 and RWD

I was being "funny" because you mentioned the 350Z twice in your original post.

 

[skywarp]

The doubters might change their minds when they see the car in person. The new car will be faster, have a way better quality interior-even though it might be to retro for some. The people who complain that it doesn't look like the concept also have to realize there are regulations to meet. In the end you like it or you don't but it will sell, and probably sell great. People complain about the sparse interior on the current car. Now Ford gives people the quality interior with the retro theme and they complain. Not enough power people say. The 05 has almost the same power as 99-01 Cobras. I guess you can't please everybody.

 

[Z28x]

You really like GM products don't you. The 350Z is still a 2 seater. And unless you get the stripped down no frills base model. You start going beyond $27k really fast. With the track and touring models going for $34k. The GTO is still priced to high for comparision to the gt and will always be. And as long as you don't put ANY options on the rx-8 the base 6 speed msrp is $27k. When they are talking about the gt loaded being $28k your agruing from a losing position. you can't argue money is not a factor then bring in cars that are more expensive. I'm not denying the solstice is a valid point. But every other car is more expensive.

I like RWD American products. THe point of my post is that RWD and IRS arn't just for cars like the Vette. The industry is moving to IRS and the Mustang is last to the party. Now I'm not against a live axel Mustang, Thats cool that it is still offered, but the Mainstream stangs should have IRS, leave the live axel to a special drag racing edition. IRS can be done fairly cheap if it is in the design from day one.