The new GT: Stupid Ford Dealers

YellowLightning · Aug 11, 2004

Do you think the Dealers should be able to charge way over the MSRP like they are? Ford should cap the cars at the price they said they would sell them at. Dealers are asking 100 and 200 thousand more for them.

SVTdriver · Aug 11, 2004

YellowLightning said:
Do you think the Dealers should be able to charge way over the MSRP like they are? Ford should cap the cars at the price they said they would sell them at. Dealers are asking 100 and 200 thousand more for them.

It is all about supply and demand. Ford has no real control over the dealers charging whatever they want to. And if people are willing to pay that much... If someone offered you $100k for your car. Would you turn it down?

PONY XPRESS · Aug 11, 2004

That's what makes America great. The free enterprise system. Considering car # 10 went for over 500 big ones, 100k over is a deal.

Irv · Aug 11, 2004

I can't afford one either way, so I guess I don't care.

Rootus · Aug 11, 2004

SVTdriver said:
It is all about supply and demand. Ford has no real control over the dealers charging whatever they want to. And if people are willing to pay that much... If someone offered you $100k for your car. Would you turn it down?

Ford could if they wanted. "You will not get a GT unless you agree to sell it for MSRP." Not that there is any real incentive for them to do that, however.

backafter20 · Aug 11, 2004

Can you think of anything that symbolizes freedom more than a Mustang? We are a great country because we are free, not because we are controlled and regulated (for the most part). While we are equal before the law, we will never be equal in success, prosperity, or wealth. I can't afford a Ford GT now, and I never will. I have friends that will never be able to afford the GT Mustang that I plan on buying. There will always be someone "above" and "below" me financially, but I choose to be grateful for where I'm at. I say good for those who can afford a half million dollar car, and good for the dealerships for keeping the economy going, and good for the publishers that make magazines for me to see the half million dollar cars (the closest I'll ever get). I'd rather they existed out of my price range than not at all.

M1Rifle · Aug 12, 2004

post deleted, i thought you meant Mustang GT

inultus · Aug 12, 2004

Only thing I don't get is...since Ford is the one making these cars, why the eff aren't they the ones to get the money when dealers overcharge? Dealers don't have to do jack-shiite except show people a car that was designed, R&D'd and built by someone else.

ryanrule · Aug 12, 2004

didnt leno get his for close to msrp?

Reimann · Aug 12, 2004

I think they should be able to sell them for whatever they can get out of them. If they were stuck selling them a fixed price then they would be less likely (or able) to discount other cars. It also adds to the prestige of the car. When the Mach 1s first came out the first to get them were actually bragging about how much over MSRP they paid to get one. Now people are bragging about how much under MSRP they are paying for one.

Razinhell · Aug 12, 2004

Just to let you know Ford cannot tell any dealer what price to sell the car at. They can only suggest an MSRP. Its called price fixing and is against the law. The dealers operate independently from Ford. The best way to hurt the rogue dealers is to get word out that they aren't a quality dealer on the internet. With todays ability to buy a car almost anywhere in the US, the dealers that don't work well with customers will be shut out by the dealers that sell close to invoice and provide quality service.
A real dealer sees a chance to gain a customer for life, while a crappy Dealer sees a chance to sell you property. On average people buy a car every 4-6 years. Good dealers will have repeat business and crappy dealers will not.

As for the Ford GT its not going to be highly produced car. If 3 people want to buy the car first im sure they will offer more then the next guy to get it.

tjm73 · Aug 12, 2004

YellowLightning said:
Do you think the Dealers should be able to charge way over the MSRP like they are? Ford should cap the cars at the price they said they would sell them at. Dealers are asking 100 and 200 thousand more for them.

This is an incredibly ignorant post. We live in a supply and demand market society. Supply will be real low and demand will be real high. Therefor prices will reflect that by being much higher than MSRP. They will be sold at full market value, which means a substantial mark up from MSRP. Like it or not, that's what is going to happen.

And as someone else said, it's against federal law for any product producer to dictate what the selling price of their product will be. (even though Oakley sunglasses does it all the time)

new22003 · Aug 12, 2004

It happened on the Viper, the vette zr-1, and even the lowly PT cruiser. I bet all those people are kicking themselves now.

tjm73 · Aug 12, 2004

ryanrule said:
didnt leno get his for close to msrp?

No I'm pretty sure he paid over MSRP and the profit goes to charity. Same as the guy from Microsoft that got the first car last week (this week?).

tjm73 · Aug 12, 2004

inultus said:
Only thing I don't get is...since Ford is the one making these cars, why the eff aren't they the ones to get the money when dealers overcharge? Dealers don't have to do jack-shiite except show people a car that was designed, R&D'd and built by someone else.

Another incredibly ignorant post. By this logic all dealers would cease to be in business, which would put millions of people that work at the dealerships out of work.

How? Well first off, dealers buy cars for less than you pay for them. Then you buy them. That's their profit to do business with. Profit can be small to huge (such as the case will be with the GT). Once the dealer buys the car he can sell it for how ever much he wants.

brandon_lawson7 · Aug 12, 2004

In my opinion....if you can afford a new GT, chances are you can afford to pay another $100K to buy one.

Z28Marcus · Aug 12, 2004

Suppose you had your own busniness making some article (doesn't matter what) that followed the high demand, low supply model.. and as such you were able to charge a heady price for it. Furthermore, said article was not a necessity for people to live (like available healthcare which we should all be entitled too- don't get me started on the out of control healthcare industry) but a luxury, just like a ford GT. Would you complain about your financially sweet position?

As others have also stated, this is what freedom is about and I think there is a line to be crossed between acceptable capitalism and morally unnaceptable profiteering off of people's basic needs (like the gas price gouging that happened during the easrly days of the recent assult on Iraq) ... Selling GTs at twice the MSRP isn't hurting anyone so it doesn't strike me as a terrible thing to do. Sure it's frustrating - I'd love a GT, but my world isn't going to stop without one.

ryanrule · Aug 12, 2004

tjm73 said:
No I'm pretty sure he paid over MSRP and the profit goes to charity. Same as the guy from Microsoft that got the first car last week (this week?).

oh cuz there was an article where he was called by some dealers after he had already mad his purchase and he asked for prices for the fun of it and they quoted him 450,000 and hes like no i dont want 3

brandon_lawson7 · Aug 12, 2004

Z28Marcus said:
Suppose you had your own busniness making some article (doesn't matter what) that followed the high demand, low supply model.. and as such you were able to charge a heady price for it. Furthermore, said article was not a necessity for people to live (like available healthcare which we should all be entitled too- don't get me started on the out of control healthcare industry) but a luxury, just like a ford GT. Would you complain about your financially sweet position?

As others have also stated, this is what freedom is about and I think there is a line to be crossed between acceptable capitalism and morally unnaceptable profiteering off of people's basic needs (like the gas price gouging that happened during the easrly days of the recent assult on Iraq) ... Selling GTs at twice the MSRP isn't hurting anyone so it doesn't strike me as a terrible thing to do. Sure it's frustrating - I'd love a GT, but my world isn't going to stop without one.

Exactly, it's a luxury, not a direct need.

65conv50 · Aug 12, 2004

tjm73 said:
And as someone else said, it's against federal law for any product producer to dictate what the selling price of their product will be. (even though Oakley sunglasses does it all the time)

So do Coke & Pepsi. They even contract with retailers that they (the retailers) cannot sell the competing brand!! Which leaves us consumers without a choice. I want a choice in the restaurant.

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