The Official kiddiccarus 2007 NFL Thread

03ghoststang · Oct 10, 2007

Redline_351R said:
Sorry I wont use words not found in a 5th grade reading level and not make posts longer then a DR Suess book

yay victory is mine

make your post as long as you want it aint your fault some people cant take a little smack talk ...........

gt40_2003wes · Oct 10, 2007

can we get back to nfl and u all stop with ur bitchin already?

03ghoststang · Oct 10, 2007

gt40_2003wes said:
can we get back to nfl and u all stop with ur bitchin already?

NEVER

Venom351R · Oct 10, 2007

wht93gtEd said:
Saints Suck:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7146925#post7146925

What did I state there that was not true. Saints are winless and where #2 last year. Do you think they will go .500 this year? Its my opinion they wont.

wht93gtEd said:
Dallas Sucks:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7148861#post7148861

What did I say there that implied Dallas sucks? They had a bad game its as simple as that.

wht93gtEd said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7148486#post7148486

dont really see your point on this one either.

wht93gtEd said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7148447#post7148447

wht93gtEd said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7137850#post7137850

Had or had he not thrown 4 INT's at that point, only stating WHAT WAS ACTUALLY HAPPENNING IN THE GAME, how is that flipped around as me stating that Dallas sucks?

wht93gtEd said:
Giants Suck:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7148341#post7148341

Thats my Opinion on Eli Manning, you honestly think there will be a Manning VS Manning Superbowl. Id love to see a poll on here for how many People thing Eli is as good as Payton. He does not have the same accuracy or arm that Payton does, beg to differ?

wht93gtEd said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7148324#post7148324

one stupid comment deserves another. Give me crap on something your going to get it right back. Not like it was a lone statement, it was in response to another stupid comment.

wht93gtEd said:
Indy Sucks (kind of...):
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7146664#post7146664

is it true or not true that Indy beat the Titans by 2 and the Texans by 7? Only stating WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

wht93gtEd said:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7137850#post7137850

once again, something that is true and factual, how is that being flipped as me saying they suck?

wht93gtEd said:
Atlanta Sucks:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7142796#post7142796

Read the post below it, someone else agrees that they suck and its ohh ok that's fine, I say it and it some how has a different meaning? Some teams in the NFL do suck, Atlanta is one of them.

wht93gtEd said:
Bills, Dolphins, Jets Suck:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7138473#post7138473

Comparing past years to this year. So your saying the Jets, Bills and Dolphins are Superbowl contender teams?

wht93gtEd said:
Steelers Suck:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7138271#post7138271

So the Steelers did not get run over by Arizona? Please tell me what was so untrue about that statement.

wht93gtEd said:
Bengals Suck:
http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=7137615#post7137615

Which game where you watching? Seems like they won to me.

Nice try, I see what your "attempting" to do but all I see is nothing but a bunch of posts regarding football discussion. In fact I ony used the word "Suck" twice when revering to the Falcons, they do suck and the other teams in the North East division, all except the Dolphins have one win.

You can twist my posts how ever you want to but saying that I say every team sucks just b/c I point out what happened in a game or basing something on my OPINION hardly constitutes as me saying every team sucks. Nice try.

Venom351R · Oct 10, 2007

1990Coupe said:
Im a new poster to the "legendary NFL thread". These were things I didn't know. I thankyou for enlightening me as to the past of this thread. That being said...

Patriots suck

Giants FTW

<3 u red

Thats more like it

03ghoststang said:
yay victory is mine

make your post as long as you want it aint your fault some people cant take a little smack talk ...........

'

Thats what Im saying. Maybe we should start offering tissues at the front door before you enter this thread, some people are obvious 's

wht93gtEd · Oct 10, 2007

Giants rule!

Eagles Suck

Washington Sucks

Jets Suck

see, I can say that cause the Giants (who suck by your calculation Redline) beat the teams above...therefore, I can factually say they suck

Venom351R · Oct 10, 2007

wht93gtEd said:
Giants rule!

Eagles Suck

Washington Sucks

Jets Suck

see, I can say that cause the Giants (who suck by your calculation Redline) beat the teams above...therefore, I can factually say they suck

Thats fine thats your opinion, mine is that they will fall apart at some point in the season like they have in recent years. I dont believe Manning is a team leader like his brother or other QB's in the league and I dont think their coach is all that good either.

1990Coupe · Oct 10, 2007

Redline_351R said:
Thats fine thats your opinion, mine is that they will fall apart at some point in the season like they have in recent years. I dont believe Manning is a team leader like his brother or other QB's in the league and I dont think their coach is all that good either.

I hope he proves everyone wrong!!!!!!!

*prays nightly eli pulls a phil simms and becomes a great QB someday*

gt40_2003wes · Oct 10, 2007

ill say it all of ur teams are teh sucors green bay is the only team that is FTW dont like it? too bad

1990Coupe · Oct 10, 2007

Farve is rated no 1 as far as qb's go

03ghoststang · Oct 10, 2007

gt40_2003wes said:
ill say it all of ur teams are teh sucors green bay is the only team that is FTW dont like it? too bad

LIES..........if they where then they will still be undefeated like Dallas

1990Coupe · Oct 10, 2007

^ PFFFFFFFFF they almost lost to the bills!!!!!!

I wish both NE and Dallas could loose this weekend.

04DarkShadowGT · Oct 10, 2007

svttech76 said:
Totally disagree.. The patriots have always been loaded on defense but he never had much offensive talent around him. Plus you have to remember this guy won a superbowl with the exact same team that a decent qb ( drew bledsoe who was a number 1 overall) failed big time with.

The only other qb I think the patriots would have won as many games with would be peyton manning.. and if he played in NE before this year I bet he would have had similar career numbers.

I always thought this and now that the pats have some real WR's... I have been proven right.. brady is having a historic year so far in the only season he has had real wideouts.. The only other WR's he ever had that could even be considered decent were troy brown and branch... Brown was old even when brady was a rookie and branch was seriously overrated.

Think about it, where is the other ex patriot wide receivers??? after they did not have brady to throw to them all of a sudden it got exposed how bad they sucked.

This is one thing I will admit I was very wrong about. I used to say good WR's was not a big deal but I was wrong big time.

Drew Bledsoe was a turnover machine and was about 5 years past his prime so there was a reason they didnt win much with him.

Imo there are alot of QBs that could have won 3 SBs with those teams. So much about where you stack up in the overall sceme of greatest QB ever has to do with where you are playing. Brady was put into an awesome situation, same things with Big Ben and the Steelers.

Venom351R · Oct 10, 2007

04DarkShadowGT said:
Drew Bledsoe was a turnover machine and was about 5 years past his prime so there was a reason they didnt win much with him.

Imo there are alot of QBs that could have won 3 SBs with those teams. So much about where you stack up in the overall sceme of greatest QB ever has to do with where you are playing. Brady was put into an awesome situation, same things with Big Ben and the Steelers.

I don't think you can switch out QB's from teams to teams and get the same results. There is a bond that receiver's and QB's have and that comes with time. Yes Brady and Moss make it look easy but its not always like that. If you put Brady in Manning's shoes last year there is no guarantee they would have still won the Superbowl or vise verse with Manning for the Patriots in previous years. There is a chemistry the QB's have with the coach's, players and receiver's and I just don't think you can swap them out like a set of wheels and expect the same results regardless of the logo on their helmet.

This is one of those arguments that really cant be proven one way or the other. I'm not saying the Colts would not be good with Brady or Manning would not be good with the Patriots in due time, but just swapping them out for a few games I don't think you would see the same results.

Mike97gt · Oct 10, 2007

04DarkShadowGT said:
Drew Bledsoe was a turnover machine and was about 5 years past his prime so there was a reason they didnt win much with him.

Imo there are alot of QBs that could have won 3 SBs with those teams. So much about where you stack up in the overall sceme of greatest QB ever has to do with where you are playing. Brady was put into an awesome situation, same things with Big Ben and the Steelers.

WOW now we are comparing big ben to brady...

I am not trying to be a dick but if you can not see that brady is heads and shoulders better than all but one of current NFL qb's and equal to the other one that then your blind and there is nothing I can say to change your mind.

But I am still going to show how your logic is flawed.

You talk about how Brady and Rothlisburger (sp?) has been placed in situations that enable them to succeed but you left a giant glaring hole in your logic

MANNING

I noticed you failed to mention your boy when talking about great situations to be placed in. Once you did that you lost all credibility.

Manning has had a tremendously talented offense around him just about his entire career and brady has had a good solid overall team around him.. Much of the reason the patriots won three superbowls is because brady played his best in the post season.. He did not turn the ball over and had his biggest games in those years when it mattered the most.. I don't think many other QB's could do that.. In fact in NFL history only a few has played as well as brady has in the post season.. Guys like Starr and Montana come to mind.. I highly doubt many other qb's in the game today can match that, and a few of them has had the chance too. ( Farve, McNabb and others)

Both of them are better off where they are than they would be if they played for arizona or someplace like that, but both of them are the main reasons the teams they play for have been as good as they are.

BTW in 2005 and 2002 brady had terrible defenses and the same sub-par weapons and still put up pro bowl numbers.

SO let me get you point clear..

Brady is not that good and must be overrated according to you since just about everybody considers him to be the best or second best QB in the NFL.. According to you he has just been placed in a good situation, and they could have won with many other QB's In fact you mention him in the same breath as big ben, That I find humorous.

Is that your point? That Brady is overrated... You keep pointing out how he has great coaching and great players around him.. HHHMMM really why don't you up belichicks record before and after brady???

See the difference between me and you is I can take my homer goggles off for a minute and see other great players in the league. I don't knock down other players to try and make my binky look better.

So what is it.. Are you a extreme homer and that makes you blind or do you not know enough about the game to see some of the great things brady can and has done that most QB's in the history of the game can't that makes this patriots team what it has been.

I can point out exactly what makes brady and manning heads and shoulders above the rest, to me it's as obvious as the sun coming up tomorrow. I just don't get how you don't see it.

BTW Bledsoe was 5 years past prime HUH??? he was 29 when he got injured and replaced.. So what was his prime???? 23 years old

03ghoststang · Oct 10, 2007

Tom Brady is a good QB and he was also a good QB at Michigan

Mike97gt · Oct 10, 2007

03ghoststang said:
Tom Brady is a good QB and he was also a good QB at Michigan

thats a understatement. Brady is one of the best Qb's all time and I can make a strong argument to say he is the best of all time. considering how cheap NE got him (199th pick) and the playoff success he has had.. see unlike Big ben who had a awful game in the superbowl. Brady put up great numbers with inferior targets in the playoffs to win superbowls. Including the only walk off drive in superbowl history AS A FIRST YEAR STARTER, REALLY A ROOKIE I understand 5that the game was won on a field goal, but who got them down there to kick it in the last minute when we all know if they did not make it the rams would have won that game in OT. Lesser Veteran QB's have wilted in that pressure and this guy was a second year player who was a 6th round pick the year before!!!

Earlier in this thread we were talking about a 4th year qb (eli) getting better with time. By his forth year brady was a 2 time SB MVP

I use the term good qb to describe somebody like big ben or very good to describe Mcnabb pre injury..

I think somebody like brady is a great QB, I am not even just saying this because he is a patriot.. If you guys want I can give you my list of who I think were the great Qb's all time and no other patriot is even close.

03ghoststang · Oct 10, 2007

svttech76 said:
thats a understatement. Brady is one of the best Qb's all time and I can make a strong argument to say he is the best of all time. considering how cheap NE got him (199th pick) and the playoff success he has had.. see unlike Big ben who had a awful game in the superbowl. Brady put up great numbers with inferior targets in the playoffs to win superbowls. Including the only walk off drive in superbowl history AS A FIRST YEAR STARTER, REALLY A ROOKIE I understand 5that the game was won on a field goal, but who got them down there to kick it in the last minute when we all know if they did not make it the rams would have won that game in OT. Lesser Veteran QB's have wilted in that pressure and this guy was a second year player who was a 6th round pick the year before!!!

Earlier in this thread we were talking about a 4th year qb (eli) getting better with time. By his forth year brady was a 2 time SB MVP

I use the term good qb to describe somebody like big ben or very good to describe Mcnabb pre injury..

I think somebody like brady is a great QB

if you want to put it in that sense yeah he is a great QB just like others before his time

wht93gtEd · Oct 10, 2007

03ghoststang said:
if you want to put it in that sense yeah he is a great QB just like others before his time

seriously...

best of all time...I think not...people were on this same high horse with Manning the last 2 years.....

Brady is a douchbag who left his pregnant girlfriend...kinda like K-fed...real standup guy, good quarterback or not.

yeah, I did it, I compared Brady's douchbaggery to K-Fed

Mike97gt · Oct 10, 2007

03ghoststang said:
if you want to put it in that sense yeah he is a great QB just like others before his time

Agreed.. It really is impossible to compare qb's from different eras. Pre 1979 compared to today is literally impossible to compare stats.. but brady, manning and farve are the ones I would include in that discussion that are currently playing.

wht93gtEd said:
seriously...

best of all time...I think not...people were on this same high horse with Manning the last 2 years.....

Brady is a douchbag who left his pregnant girlfriend...kinda like K-fed...real standup guy, good quarterback or not.

yeah, I did it, I compared Brady's douchbaggery to K-Fed

For one I did not say he IS the greatest ever, what I said is I can make a strong argument for him in a argument about the best ever.
Now about the pregnancy thing

How many people in this age really stick with a girlfriend they got pregnant?? He found out she was pregnant after they broke up, well atleast as far as we know he did. Yeah it would be better for his reputation if he did not have a child out of wedlock but does that have anything to do with being a NFL qb?????

I think that you feel so strongly about that because you don't like the guy. Because that stuff is really common now a days this is not the 1950's..

are you willing to say that all the giants players ( thats your team right??) that have children out of wedlock with girlfriends and are not with them are douchbags. I will be willing to bet there are quite a few players on the giants with children out of wedlock and that don't live with them.

God many of these NFL players and other pro atheltes are making abortion doctors and family lawyers ( child support lawsuits) rich so I think this is kind of a silly argument.

Please if you can't call out the giant players and other teams you are fans of for the children they have out of wedlock then retract your comments or get your fraud hat and sit in the corner.

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