Like I said, the block is $4295(cheaper if you do it on your own), both cars will have broken parts, believe it or not!, As you can see in my first post, I included safety equipment and clutches.....read it again please.xr8d302 said:That dart block he speaks of would either not have internals, or his price is way off.
Call DSS racing, for one of their assembled blocks, ask them for a price on it. If you want quality work done, you're going to pay closer to 7500 bucks for a good strong short block
I know this because I was going to buy one a few months ago, I thought the same way as you, but for what you get with the block, it won't produce a 10 second timeslip. I opted to wait out until I can find a better deal.
Cost you believe it will take to make a 10 second 5.0 - $14900
Cost of upgrading the lack of block you got - $4000
Labour & tuning, unless you're a master mechanic, in which case you wouldn't be on here arguing it, but instead you'd be out building it - $4000
Dyno's and Track days in which you disappoint yourself with times - $600
Medication your wife will have to take to deal with her husband's fantasy car - $700
Broken parts, not including clutches - $3500
Rollcage for when they finally kick you off the track when you punch an 11.50 or quicker after 4 years of building - $700
Redoing the paintjob that cracked and faded since you started the buildup - another $700
Quality paint - $400
Clutches - $1500
Helmet - $12
Watching you come back in here with an 03 Cobra in 5 years telling us it's easier to mod one than an GT-500 - priceless.
mattkimsey said:About the trickflow kit, my friend runs 10.5@129 with a 306, unported trickflow twisted wedge, trickflow street intake and a novi 2000. So yes, I feel 10.0 can be done with a 347 and more boost(he is limited by the stock block). Not tryin to be mean, but maybe it would help if some of you checked out the corral to see what those guys are running with similar combos.
I couldn't have said it better! These parts list some people are throwin' out---it's like they assume bigger is better and you want to go low 9's.nmcgrawj said:I've been thinking guys....i think we dont NEED all this crap to make the power.
I just had that thread going with Jay Allen running 11's on junk(lol his words) and his goal is to get a 10 out of it before switching to those Dart heads.
Now...i know that his times along with the others that have done it come from knowledge and experience. But i think if you teamed up with one of those guys that you dont need too get all this "power" making stuff.
A turbo 347 will blow Jay's combo out of the water on paper...yet his combo will run with it on the track.
Take a step back and learn what it takes to go fast. You dont need to spend all the money on these big power parts...i would imagine a turbo 418 with a dart block should be under 10's easily.
Think about this....think it through and make a plan. Dont just go out buying parts that make tons of power. Its not needed and sometimes will make it harder on yourself.
I agree that they may be more suited for a 302, but they wont make less power on a 347......they'll make a lot more. If you're after 10.0 it really doesn't matter as long as the car runs the times.nmcgrawj said:The point is that the TFS package is just about optimal for a 302 motor. Up the cubes and it isnt. Spend all this cash for a combo that isnt matched for what its supposed to be and your results wont be optimal. You shouldnt use 302 parts on a 347. Period.
OMG!!!!! You wouldn't believe how close our estimates are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you read my original post, you would see that I listed things both cars would need and didn't include them in EITHER cars total price! Let me deduct some stuff and you'll see how close we are!!yellow1995Cobra said:Heres my 94/95 5.0 build up, all prices will be more then fair -
Fuel/induction -
Single Turbo kit - 3500
72# injectors - 450
Race tbody - 300
Fox tb conversion - 40
MAF - 250
Intank fuel pump -140
Inline fuel pump - 170
Adjustable fuel regulator - 120
Engine -
Dart block 347 shortblock - 5000
Afr 205 heads -2000
FTI cam - 325
Edelbrock victor intake manifold - 550
Pushrods - 70
Lifters - 100
Head studs - 120
Cometic HG's - 100
7qt oil pan - 200
Tranny
Built dynamic c4 transmission with, bellhousing, converter, brake, reverse manual valve body - 2500
Rims/ tires
Drag rims, skinnies up front, 15x10's out back - 700
ET Drags/skinnies - 530
Rear End
Gears - 180
Diff t/a cover - 120
Superior axles 31 spline - 250
Differential of choice - 350
Cooling and electrical-
Fluidyne rad - 300
MSD 6al w/ BTM - 200
MSD plug wires - 80
Autolite Spark plugs - 14
Cap/rotor - 20
blaster coil - 50
Misc stuff
Light weight seats - 500
gauges- water temp, fuel pressure, wideband, oil pressure, boost - 700
Wolfe roll cage - 700
Subframes - 100
Race harness seat belts - 100
Tuning - 600
Motor oil, oil filters, cam lube, arp moly lube, arp thread sealant, antifreeze - 80
Ok i missed things, even at this point. Im up to 21,509 at this point. Now lets add tax to it at 5%. Thats another 1075.45. SO a grand total at this point is 22,584.45.
I went with a c4 to aid in that 10.0. It would take ALOT more track time(and broken 5 spds) to run that time on a manual.
Just remebered something i missed! Exhaust! and price of the car.. Im sure theres even more. This combo should give you 10.0's with alot of tuning and practice, but like everything in life, is no sure thing.
nmcgrawj said:I've been thinking guys....i think we dont NEED all this crap to make the power.
I just had that thread going with Jay Allen running 11's on junk(lol his words) and his goal is to get a 10 out of it before switching to those Dart heads.
Now...i know that his times along with the others that have done it come from knowledge and experience. But i think if you teamed up with one of those guys that you dont need too get all this "power" making stuff.
A turbo 347 will blow Jay's combo out of the water on paper...yet his combo will run with it on the track.
Take a step back and learn what it takes to go fast. You dont need to spend all the money on these big power parts...i would imagine a turbo 418 with a dart block should be under 10's easily.
Think about this....think it through and make a plan. Dont just go out buying parts that make tons of power. Its not needed and sometimes will make it harder on yourself.
mattkimsey said:OMG!!!!! You wouldn't believe how close our estimates are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you read my original post, you would see that I listed things both cars would need and didn't include them in EITHER cars total price! Let me deduct some stuff and you'll see how close we are!!
72# injectors - 450
Race tbody - 300
Fox tb conversion - 40
MAF - 250
Intank fuel pump -140
Inline fuel pump - 170
Adjustable fuel regulator - 120
both cars will need a fuel system -$1430
I showed you a Dart shortblock for $4300----deduct -$700
The 5.0 gets a c4 and the Cobra gets a cheap $1200 t56 rebuild? Not fair--deduct -$600 to give the 5.0 a manual(with better gearing and strength might I add)
rims and tires, I listed that both would need this in the original post! deduct -$1230
Both cars will need gears, axles, diff deduct -$780
misc. stuff lol Are you kidding me? Both cars will need all that stuff minus the seats---I clearly stated that both cars would need safety equipment/tune.---deduct -$2780 both cars will pay tax for parts -$1075.45
Total deductions- $8595.45
Yeah, I know what you were doin', you were adding in a lot of the little things I left off because both cars would need them.yellow1995Cobra said:I dont get what your saying? You deduct for rims and other stuff.. So your gonna race your car with no rims, no tires? no gears?etc If you add up JUST what i stated above i got 20k or whatever the exact # was. I wasnt including it with the #'s you came up with.
I never said anything about the cobra build up.. I was just coming up with a nice 95 build up that could go 10.0 and there you have it. No doubt the 03 cobra build up would be 10k on top of the price of the car to get it to run a 10.0.
low5.0 - 10.9 is far off from a 10.0.....
mattkimsey said:I agree, bimmer, but that would severly limit the Cobra because it's almost 30k just for the stock car. Also, when you want to run 10.0...braking distance and turning aren't very important(both cars will be setup for straight line performance)
mattkimsey said:Yeah, I know what you were doin', you were adding in a lot of the little things I left off because both cars would need them.
If you want we can say $8595.45(the little things) added on the Cobra, which would give us $55,795.45 and $21,184 for the 5.0. Also, that is a pretty detailed list of components for the 5.0, I'm sure I left out A LOT of stuff for the Cobra.
Go to first page, read, comeback later.super302 said:so a cobra cost 47,200???
I did read it, your prices are outrageousmattkimsey said:Go to first page, read, comeback later.
No sir, that is the extra money paid for full coverage over the next 5 yrs.Low-5.0 said:I just realized that you included $4000 of insurance on the Cobra, but no insurance cost on the 5.0.
Actually, that is about right when you include TTT and the interest over 5 yrs.Low-5.0 said:You also have the initial price of the Cobra at $34K w/interest which I thought was determined to be way too high.
We aren't talking about that person, we are talking about the average person. They will mod the car over 5-6yrs.Low-5.0 said:Also, looking at the mod list for the Cobra, anybody that can afford to do those mods would certainly be able to afford the cost of the car without spending $7-8K in interest.
mattkimsey said:No sir, that is the extra money paid for full coverage over the next 5 yrs. Actually, that is about right when you include TTT and the interest over 5 yrs. We aren't talking about that person, we are talking about the average person. They will mod the car over 5-6yrs.
yellow1995Cobra said:Someone please lock these threads.
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