Thinking ahead....All forged internals

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DARK-5.0

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As of now I have the combo in my sig. If i wanted to go a single turbo say next year sometime, would it be smart to go ahead this winter and forge all the internals. What I am basically asking is, is the steel crank and such gonna be able to handle some boost if i really want to turn it up. I know I will atleast go forged pistons and I will probably go with some nice h-beams but should I even have to touch the crank. Thanks.

Jeremy

 

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Forged internals would be nice only..................

If they stay in a stock block when it splits If you are planning big power down the road, upgrade the block too.

 

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theres no point unless your going to be building it on a stronger block.
you will most likely crack the block before ever breaking the stock crank, rods or pistons.

 

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What size engine? A forged steel crank is a waste of money in a stock block. The stock block IS the weakest link in that chain. Forged pistons, your choice of rods (i beams are lighter I believe) and a cast crank or stock crank if your keeping it a 302 and not a stroker.

 

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Definitely get the pistons and rods before the crank. I'd even consider putting the money into a new block before a stronger crank, but that's me.

 

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haha we all said the same thing w/o seeing each others post.

 

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Well I'm glad I've got some interest. I am looking for all the advice I can get. My plan up until last week was to go built 331 with a good block, but I'm still addicted to turbos and want one sooo bad.
The thing is I love driving my car and I don't want to just give up all drivebilty to it when I go Single turbo 331 with afrs and a custom cam. I'd have to have a fuel system that would dominate my wallet.
So I want to just keep it 302 maybe a small bore to 306, have a stout bottom end and just keep the heads and intake I have. I'll obviously get a ground cam for a turbo set up.
Any help is needed. Thanks

Jeremy

 

DarkMesa8

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Grn92LX said:

haha we all said the same thing w/o seeing each others post.

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LoL, I thought I was the only person replying!

 

DarkMesa8

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Spend proper money on your rods, if you throw a rod it'll really cause your engine a bad day (amongst other things).

 

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I def want to get stronger pistons and rods because I want some security that those aren't going anywhere. What kind of block should i be looking at if i wanted to stay 302 or 306.

 

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Anyone know what kind of block I should start saving for. How much should I expect to spend on the bottom end if I plan on staying 302/306. I'd think I'd be saving a bunch over going stroker. Thanks

Jeremy

 

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DARK-5.0 said:

Anyone know what kind of block I should start saving for. How much should I expect to spend on the bottom end if I plan on staying 302/306. I'd think I'd be saving a bunch over going stroker. Thanks

Jeremy

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The Dart block is around 2k I believe. The fms "R" block is less, but.......requires more machine work. The dart has 4 bolt mains on the end caps too. When you get into forged parts, they all cost about the same money, wether its 306/331/347. You wont really save anything going 306, so just do a 331/347 It's alot of money, but the one thing you have to remember, it's ALOT cheaper and you'll keep you sanity if you do it once and do it right.
mike.

 

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Do i really need to go R block. Could I not just use an old 4 bolt block out of a late 60's car. I really don't want to spend 2k alone on just the block. Thats why I wanted to just stay 302.

Jeremy

 

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DARK-5.0 said:

Do i really need to go R block. Could I not just use an old 4 bolt block out of a late 60's car. I really don't want to spend 2k alone on just the block. Thats why I wanted to just stay 302.

Jeremy

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You can "try" to find a boss 302 block wich was 4 bolt, but good luck If you want to make big power, expect to spend big dollars. The 302 as strong as it is, is still a thin cylinder walled motor, prone to splitting right down the middle at big power levels. It is better to overbuild, we are NEVER happy with hp levels and always look for more. Later on, you'll be glad you spent that money on the block. So what if it takes a little longer to save for, well worth every penny. You're choice, you're dollar. Good luck.
mike.

 

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You will want the 4-bolt. The only block I now of is the a4 witch came out of the boss 302. you may be hard pressed to find one. I believe the fms is the same block.

 

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You will want the 4-bolt. The only block I now of is the a4 witch came out of the boss 302. you may be hard pressed to find one. I believe the fms is the same block.

 

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NIN said:

You will want the 4-bolt. The only block I now of is the a4 witch came out of the boss 302. you may be hard pressed to find one. I believe the fms is the same block.

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Not the same block.

 

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just get a D.S.S 331 Stroker w/ a rear main support and girdle.

 

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Striped5.0 said:

just get a D.S.S 331 Stroker w/ a rear main support and girdle.

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My plan for the summer. But probably gonna be a 347

 

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mackey said:

My plan for the summer. But probably gonna be a 347

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Clearly the better choice man. I'll direct you do a good person to talk to about this when your ready for a shortblock. I was planning on a 347 and I was gonna have this guy was gonna do it.