Tires- what you think?

ras50gt

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Im looking to get some budget tires for my 93 gt as my nitto r's(awesome tires-wish my friend still worked at the tire store, i got them for 80 each) are pretty much done. Im probably going to get new wheels and tires this summer, so for now just looking for a decent affordable tire. Which one of these would you get?

1.) Kumho AST for $82. 245/45R/17, 400 A A

2.) Sumitomo Hrz for $66. 245/45ZR/17, 160 A A


The sumitomo are ZR rated and cheaper but the 160 rating bothers me, the kumhos are rated 400, you htink they will last longer?

Anyone have these tires? Its raining here in CA, so basically looking for an ok Winter tire/all around tire. How long do you think these tires will last? On two of my nittos ive put a ton of miles on them.
 
Yea, those would be good for a summer tire. Right now im just looking for some ok all season tires for the rain. I plan on getting new wheels/tires maybe July or August. Would still like to get a decent tire that will last though. Anyone else on the kumho vs. sumitomo? The 160 rating is what im wondering about and the fact that one is ZR rated the other is R. Maybe I could get away with the bridgestone potenzas
 
Sorry, can't help you on those brands....always have looked at them, but ended up with something else.

I wouldn't recommend these Potenzas for anything near snow or frozen ground. Rain even would be questionable.
 
Go with Sumittomos's or however you spell it. Coupe has them on his 18's and loves them. Everyone on my local board runs them on the front. It's a cheap tire, and the wear is good. Some run them out back and say the traction is good for the price you pay.
 
I hope the tread life is decent... Does anyone know the difference between the 160 A A rating and the 400 A A? Ive heard you cant really go by that number.

Also, the sumitomos are ZR, what makes them different compared to the kumho Ast that are just R??
 
I have the Kumho ASX's which is a set up from the ast's you are looking at. The ASX are decent all season tires but are nothing compared to even a cheap summer only tire. I got these tires because they were the best performance for the price that fit on my turbines.

Where in California do you live? If you live in an area that doesn't get any snow then I would stick with summer only tires. I drive with summer only tires on my other mustang here in Florida. The only thing you have to do in the winter (40 F and below) is let them warm up or they are fairly slick, but they are not slicker than a crappy standard touring tire.
 
If there is a chance that you will drive the car in snow, you better run a blizzak on there during the winter months; there is no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you can't handle that reality of having a vehicle that DEMANDS two sets of tires, then a Mustang or any other pony/sports car is not for you.

I bought my 04 GT and knew it would need a Blizzak for the snow, and you know what, it fricken laughs at snow. 3-4 inches....bring it on!

Three seasons of the year, I utilize the Firehawk Wide Ovals. They are magnets on the street with AWESOME wet traction.

I also run them on my 427 rwhp Notch. Customers that I recommend them to absolutely love them.

All seasons on any Mustang won't do it justice. If you want to run all seasons, you might as well be tooling in a Tempo.
 
Many people are telling me to just get the summitomos. Im worried about tread life and rain driving. Ive heard mixed things about the kumhos but overall im hearing they will last a long time. But is it worth the price difference??

Im in norcal, we have been having some rain storms but then the sunny days come back. I just want a tire that will do good in the rain as my tires now are worn.

I would like to know how the two tires I listed stack up side by side?? If it were you, which would you get.

My car is fairly stock with mods on the way(paxton sl still sitting in a box lol). But I think these will be mainly a winter type tire, see some summer time, however I will most likely be getting a new wheel/tire combo for summer/nice sunny weather and when the supercharger, etc gets on.
 
I hope the tread life is decent... Does anyone know the difference between the 160 A A rating and the 400 A A? Ive heard you cant really go by that number.

Also, the sumitomos are ZR, what makes them different compared to the kumho Ast that are just R??

All tires are R. R usally proceeds the rim size. So R17 means rim 17

Some manufacturers stick the speed rating in there too, so ZR17 means Z-rated, Rim 17". You also have some HR17's which are H-rated.

As for wear ratings. A 160 rating will last less than half as long as a 400 wear tire. It usually means the tire is softer which will grip better but not last as long.

Summer tires tend to be in the 120-300 range while all seasons are 360 and higher.

How they come up with this number is rediculous. I had it explained once and it's a little confusing, but based on actual wear info.
 
Personally i wouldn't waste my money on an all season tire...they just don't measure up. You'll sacrifice performance both in summer and winter. Get what you want for a summer tire and save up for some Blizzacks and throw them on 10 holes and you'll get more life out of your summer tires since they won't be on for 3 months or so out of the year.
 
As was suggested, don't get all seasons. Get a set of snow and a set of summer tires. The tread wear rating is different between manufacturers so don't compare Sumis 160 to Kumahos 400. Sumitomos last a long time and their 160 is like Kumahos 360-380 rating.

Sumitomo HTRZ1 and II suck in the rain really bad but the HTRZ III rocks! :rock: The letter "A" is traction rating in the dry and again in the wet. Again it seems like these have not bearing on reality. I had some Good-years that were "AA" rating in the wet and my "A" Pilots kick their ass in the wet or dry :shrug:

The only good all season performance tires are gonna cost some coin cause then you are looking at Perelli, Michelin and Continental :nice:
 
This is not a correct statement.


The letter "A" is traction rating in the dry and again in the wet. Again it seems like these have not bearing on reality. I had some Good-years that were "AA" rating in the wet and my "A" Pilots kick their ass in the wet or dry :shrug:



Information on Traction Grades:


Traction Grades

UTQG Traction Grades are based on the tire's straight line wet coefficient of traction as the tire skids across the specified test surfaces. The UTQG traction test does not evaluate dry braking, dry cornering, wet cornering, or high speed hydroplaning resistance.

The Traction Grade is determined by installing properly inflated test tires on the instrumented axle of a "skid trailer." The skid trailer is pulled behind a truck at a constant 40 mph over wet asphalt and wet concrete test surfaces. Its brakes are momentarily locked and the axle sensors measure the tire's coefficient of friction (braking g forces) as it slides. Since this test evaluates a sliding tire at a constant 40 mph, it places more emphasis on the tire's tread compound and less emphasis on its tread design.

In 1997, the UTQG Traction Grades were revised to provide a new category of AA for the highest performing tires in addition to the earlier A, B and C grades. Previously the A grade had been the highest available and was awarded to tires that offered wet coefficients of traction above 0.47 g on asphalt and 0.35 g on concrete.

Also another FYI

UTQG Temperature Resistance Ratings

Speed, loading and inflation can significantly impact a tire’s resistance to heat generation or build-up, which in turn can reduce a tire’s durability and service life. The UTQG temperature resistance test is conducted under predetermined standards for inflation and loading.


Grade C: Minimum performance level indicating the tire failed to complete a half-hour at 100 mph

Grade A: Maximum performance level indicating the tire withstood a 30-minute run at 115 mph without failing

Grade B: The tire passed 100 mph, but not 115 mph

The UTQG test standards also measure a tire’s resistance to the generation of heat and its ability to dissipate heat when tested under controlled conditions on a specified indoor laboratory test wheel.Grade A: The tire performed well on both surfaces

Grade B: The tire performed well on at least one of the surfaces

Grade C: The tire performed poorly on one or both of the surfacesThe UTQG traction measurement notes a tire’s ability to stop on wet test surfaces of asphalt and concrete under controlled conditions. The rating is based on a low-speed (40 mph) wet braking test and generally indicates the traction capability of the tread compound in straight ahead braking.The UTQG treadwear measurement is an indexed representation of a tire's durability under optimum conditions. The treadwear grade is based on a 7,200-mile wear test conducted under controlled conditions on a standardized test course. Tires are measured for wear, and tread life expectancy is extrapolated to 2/32-inch of tread.