Torque Boxes... battle boxes.. questions.

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Schlodes

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At what point are you stupid top not have some sort of reinforcement done to the lower and upper torque boxes?

I am going to ASSume that that point is reached once slicks are used on the car? What if you were to have the stock boxes welded to the floor? Or.. Is it better to buy battle boxes [from Wild Rides??] and install them? Are they a bolt in? or do you have to have them welded?

Basically my car will go to the track no more than 2-3 times a year on its slicks, but I am planning on ordering some upper and lower control arms [I like the looks of the Summit ones ], air bags, and some 90/10s in the next few days.

My goal is to make this thing cut consistent 1.6s - low 1.7s at its worst on a decently prepped track. Is my car a battle box candidate? I already have Kenny Brown subframe connectors that also bolt up to the rear seat bolts.

Funny because I have seen people run low 11s all season, for a couple seasons, [ones an 86 Capri RS back in the day - runs Renegade now] and he never had anything other than subframes and his torque boxes were fine I remember he cut a 1.51 60' the one time on a stock T5 too..

So...

Leave them be for now, till the car gets more serious [as in low 12s or faster]?
Or... Slicks = hard launches - just do it now?
Can I... Weld the stock ones to the floor? or get the battle boxes?

Thanks!

 

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Just get them and be done with it. No worries. Go as fast as you want.

 

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mike keirstead said:

Just get them and be done with it. No worries. Go as fast as you want.

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I'm with him. Get them for insurance.

 

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I figured as much.

What all is involved in installing them??? Can I bolt em in? Or do they have to be welded?

 

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Yeah I second that just get them over with and save the headache in the long run.

Slicks = reinforced TQ boxes. I'd wait untill you do the U/L control arms. It'll just be easier.

 

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Bolting them in would give more support, but its like subframes, you will still be able to get some flex in them I believe. Welding them will strengthen them a lot.

 

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you should do a little work now to avoid a real headache later. i hear once those torque boxes rip out, they are a real PITA to fix.

 

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You can tear your torque boxes with street driving, I'd get them on as soon as is feasible for ya.

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Yeah, if you do them early in the car's life, everything should be straight and will work well for you. If you wait you take a chance on them being distorted or worse yet ripped. Install isn't bad. If you weld make sure the sound deadener doesn't ignite on you. I do recommend welding although you don't have to.

 

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Acctually I just went to Wild Rides this past Forday and had them put upper battle boxes in because my upper control arm mount was completly ripping on the passanger side. My car is a daily driver and thats how that happened. For the uppers they need to be welded in becasue they sandwhich between both sides of the floor but for the lowers they could be bolted in but Im sure everyone will tell you to weld them in too. I would defenitly recomend them.

 

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Weld Um In There! GET ER DONE!!! lol

 

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Anyone have pics of theirs? I've never installed'em, just wondering what the finished product looks like..

 

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Anyone remember what it cost them to have em put in?

 

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I ripped my torque boxes on a stock motor with bbk upper and lower control arms. Get them done asap.

 

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I've seen a bunch of pics of the lower reinforcements, but I don't think I have ever seen the uppers. Does anyone sell a kit that comes with upper and lower? Or does anyone know which brand is good for them?

 

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The only portion of the lower kit that truly can be welded is the top plate which is located under the rear seat, the main portion that is inside the factory box is hard to get to with any kind of precision when trying to weld.

We usually bolt the lower kits in and have seen no ill effects. We fully weld the stock brackets/mounts on the uppers and have not had any issues with them ripping out, made over 740LBSTQ to the wheels and have not had any issues.

 

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Schlodes

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Rick, thanks for the explanation above. Also.. I got your email back.

I checked out your webpage, and I am going to go with your lower supports, and will contact you after the Easter holiday. [working and getting paid cash for good Friday ]

Thanks for all the replies!

 

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5.0GT said:

I've seen a bunch of pics of the lower reinforcements, but I don't think I have ever seen the uppers. Does anyone sell a kit that comes with upper and lower? Or does anyone know which brand is good for them?

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Uprproducts.com Makes a kit for upper and lowers.

http://uprproducts.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=67&cat=Torque+Box+Kits