torque conbverter and 1/4 mile

[TGJ]

Where the hell are you getting your info from? A stock stall is around 1700. Also I think I know where a centri makes power being the fact I have one.

Also don’t talk s**t about my advice and the times my car ran when you leaving out the fact that I let off at or before the 1000’ mark. Do you know how much the hurts your times? Do you know I have one of the fastest stock auto GTs on the boards? Trying to compare a stalled auto car to mine when I didn’t even get a full run in is stupid.

What does this guy 60’? ............................................ I’ve 60’ a best of 1.85
Does he run DRs or slicks? ……………................... I run DRs
Does he have a built tranny? ………………………..I don’t
What’s his weight with driver? ……………………. Im around 3600
Any suspension mods? …………………………..… I’ve got noting
Where did he run the time and what was the tem? ….I ran at 400’ above on an 80* day.

The guy could be diving a lightened car with slicks and ran that time on a 40* day at Englishtown where the tack is 1000’ below sea level. I’m not saying he did but I don’t know. You’re throwing out a time and comparing it to mine and talking s**t and telling nothing about the car.

Saying I have a lot more mods than him, I really don’t have that much as for making power. I have Supercharger, Pulley, Intercooler, Cams, Exhaust, and Gears. So the only thing he might not have that I have is exhaust and cams.


Would you care to enlighten me on any of this?

First,

You came out swinging at me saying I haven't driven a SC'd car. I am returning the favour. You are wrong on quite a bit of the advice you gave so far.

My numbers for the stock TC Stall rating is from Ford itself. I have posted that info many times. It is between 2400 - 2700 RPM, actually 2334 - 2737 RPM.

Chris's 01 GT has the stock cams, stock heads, stock short block, bullitt intake with a 8 PSI aftercooled S-Trim. He has a built 4R70W because he has trashed his stock one. I don't recall his exhaust mods but it is a full system with cats. He runs a 275 wide drag radial on a 15" x 10" rim. His best 60' is 1.6x. He runs at 1700' above sea level and in 90 degree weather usually. It is the same track I go to and it is a slow track... Yes, you have a lot more than him mod wise...

I am well aware of how much you lose in the last 320 feet.

I don't care if you have one of the fastest auto GT's on the board. What I care about is that you have your facts right, you don't.

 

[04YELLOWGT]

First,

You came out swinging at me saying I haven't driven a SC'd car. I am returning the favour. You are wrong on quite a bit of the advice you gave so far.

My numbers for the stock TC Stall rating is from Ford itself. I have posted that info many times. It is between 2400 - 2700 RPM, actually 2334 - 2737 RPM.

Chris's 01 GT has the stock cams, stock heads, stock short block, bullitt intake with a 8 PSI aftercooled S-Trim. He has a built 4R70W because he has trashed his stock one. I don't recall his exhaust mods but it is a full system with cats. He runs a 275 wide drag radial on a 15" x 10" rim. His best 60' is 1.6x. He runs at 1700' above sea level and in 90 degree weather usually. It is the same track I go to and it is a slow track... Yes, you have a lot more than him mod wise...

I am well aware of how much you lose in the last 320 feet.

I don't care if you have one of the fastest auto GT's on the board. What I care about is that you have your facts right, you don't.

Wrong, I asked if you have ever been in a SCd car.

Where is your proof that what you are saying is fact?

I'd like to see where Ford says this because Ford actually doesn’t have an official rating for them. I have a brother-in-law that is a head mechanic at Ford in Detroit and another friend that specializes in 4R70Ws and the both say its any where from 1700-2000 but Ford rates them in different way.

All I’m gonna say is BS on your claims on this car he’s not making near enough power and not 60’ good enough to run those times on a 90* day at 1700’ above sea-level. What’s this car weigh then and what size pulley is he running? Do you have a slip for this run?

If you think I’m wrong then I guess Paul’s High Performance, Straightline Performance, MPH, and countless others are too. I’ve talked to all these people about this and they have all said the same thing. For centri car that’s some what of a street car a good stall is 2700-3200 and if you want to go crazy a 3500. A 4000 stall is the craziest s**t I’ve heard for STREET car. It’s a simple fact, you don’t need a huge stall in a FI car like you do in a NA car.

I still haven’t heard your excuse for why you trying to compare my run which wasn't complete to a car with a built trans that 60’ .2 better than me which equals .3 maybe .4 on the other end.

 

[big T]

Actually, the stock stall in 03/04 gt's is around 2400-2700. Thats directly from Alan/dirtydog and Darrin/bc automotive. Call and ask them.

 

[04YELLOWGT]

I don't care if you have one of the fastest auto GT's on the board. What I care about is that you have your facts right, you don't.

You might want to worry about your "facts" first.

A stock GT's TC stall is 2400 - 2700 RPM.

My numbers for the stock TC Stall rating is from Ford itself. I have posted that info many times. It is between 2400 - 2700 RPM, actually 2334 - 2737 RPM.

On a blower car, I would not run the stock TC for very long with it. Depending on the blower, it stalls to low or will break trying to hold lockup on the 1-2 or 2-3 shift. With a SC car, you need a good TC that is stalled correctly to the blower...

Actually it doesn't. If your car is an 04 like you say in your sig, you have a better TC stock than he does and you have a 4R75W to his 4R70W...

 

[04YELLOWGT]

Actually, the stock stall in 03/04 gt's is around 2400-2700. Thats directly from Alan/dirtydog and Darrin/bc automotive. Call and ask them.

I've heard them say this but my brother-in-law has said that is wrong. I think he would know since he works or worked directly with the guys that designed the transmission. Also my friend who specializes in the 4R70W has said that its incorrect also.

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

there's misinformation all over this thread. No need to get caught up about one of them

 

[TGJ]

I've heard them say this but my brother-in-law has said that is wrong. I think he would know since he works or worked directly with the guys that designed the transmission. Also my friend who specializes in the 4R70W has said that its incorrect also.

Fact,

The stock stall is 2337 - 2737. That info I got was directly from Ford. Not you and moronic brother-in-law. You are idiot...

That is proven by having a 430 RWHP car that can only 11.64 in the 1/4. That is from info you posted about your car.

With 430 RWHP and properly tuned on drag radials, you should be in the 10's, not mid 11's...

When you get a ****ing clue. I might listen to something you have to say...

Fact,

96 Mustang GT stock TC is not furnace brazed, 04 Mustang GT stock TC is furnace brazed and will stall slightly higher than the older one.

Fact,

Properly tuning a auto Mustang GT and demanding lockup on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift will trash the stock TC. Chris destroyed his with a 330 RWHP SC'd Mustang GT.

Have a nice day...

 

[TGJ]

To find what a stock Mustang GT TC stall is, from a stop, put your Mustang in 2nd gear, from idle floor the gas pedal, and watching the tach. Your tach should jump up to around 2500 RPM. If it does, that verifies that your stall is between 2337 and 2737 RPM. If it stays under 2000 RPM, which I doubt, verifies 04YellowGT's claim of 1700 RPM.

Back in 2001 - 2002, I upgraded my 96 TBird to a Mustang GT TC. When I did that test with my TBird, it flashed to just above 2500 RPM on my Tach.

You can use that test to find what your aftermarket TC is stalling at as well. When I ran my DirtyDog single disc( 3600 - 3800 RPM Stall ), it was just under 4000 RPM on the tach. My current 4200 RPM PI Triple Disc is stalling just under 5000 RPM on the tach.

 

[fobra559]

Not to intrude or anything, just had a question. Are you referring to the flash stall or the foot brake stall? Foot brake stall is around 1500rpm and flash stall is around 2500rpm on stock TC's?

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

i think you guys are talking about two different stall ratings. And TGJ's method requires being on a slight hill and not flooring the gas since it'd spin - just goosing it a good amount.

 

[04YELLOWGT]

Fact,

The stock stall is 2337 - 2737. That info I got was directly from Ford. Not you and moronic brother-in-law. You are idiot...

That is proven by having a 430 RWHP car that can only 11.64 in the 1/4. That is from info you posted about your car.

With 430 RWHP and properly tuned on drag radials, you should be in the 10's, not mid 11's...

When you get a ****ing clue. I might listen to something you have to say...

Fact,

96 Mustang GT stock TC is not furnace brazed, 04 Mustang GT stock TC is furnace brazed and will stall slightly higher than the older one.

Fact,

Properly tuning a auto Mustang GT and demanding lockup on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift will trash the stock TC. Chris destroyed his with a 330 RWHP SC'd Mustang GT.

Have a nice day...

This post proves to me you know nothing about drag racing.

First I’ll point out that Ford rates their TCs b something called K-Factor.

As for my car running 10s with 430rwhp what the hell setup is that in? No one that I know of on here has ran in the 10s with that power on a street setup. I know tons of guys that have cobras and have been to the Midwest shoot out they have every year for 4 years in a row and every one of those guys are making upper 500s and running 10s.

Just because your friends TC was destroyed with 330rwhp doesn’t mean every one will, that’s stupid to make an assumption like that. Hell his transmission could have been faulty, had high miles, or had the s**t beat out of it before had.


I must ask what do you have in all this. What car do YOU drive, what’s done to it and what does it run? Do you have any personal experience with SC cars?

 

[justinschmidt1]

The flash stall is 2400-2700

If you footbrake it will only go to about 1600-1700.

I hope to be mid to low 12s with like 360-380 whp.

I guess thats ok with stock stall right?

 

[04YELLOWGT]

The flash stall is 2400-2700

If you footbrake it will only go to about 1600-1700.

I hope to be mid to low 12s with like 360-380 whp.

I guess thats ok with stock stall right?

That should beabout right. In TGJs eyes that should be an mid 11 run but dont plan on it.

 

[justinschmidt1]

yea...thats what I hope for...I dont know if it will get too much better than 12.5

 

[fobra559]

yea...thats what I hope for...I dont know if it will get too much better than 12.5

Work on your suspension, your ET's should improve.

 

[TGJ]

i think you guys are talking about two different stall ratings. And TGJ's method requires being on a slight hill and not flooring the gas since it'd spin - just goosing it a good amount.

Put down your crack pipe too...

You do not need to be going up hill to do what I suggested...

 

[TGJ]

This post proves to me you know nothing about drag racing.

First I’ll point out that Ford rates their TCs b something called K-Factor.

As for my car running 10s with 430rwhp what the hell setup is that in? No one that I know of on here has ran in the 10s with that power on a street setup. I know tons of guys that have cobras and have been to the Midwest shoot out they have every year for 4 years in a row and every one of those guys are making upper 500s and running 10s.

Just because your friends TC was destroyed with 330rwhp doesn’t mean every one will, that’s stupid to make an assumption like that. Hell his transmission could have been faulty, had high miles, or had the s**t beat out of it before had.


I must ask what do you have in all this. What car do YOU drive, what’s done to it and what does it run? Do you have any personal experience with SC cars?

Yes, Ford does rate their TC's by a K-factor. Stall Speed is as I said 2337 - 2737.

Nobody does done it, yet you claim it in your sig...

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Nope, I have only seen 5 stock TC's trashed. All but Chris' were N/A cars, all tuned by different tuners. Chris has maybe 70,000 miles on his and he is the original owner. The stock lockup clutch is better than some of the aftermarket TC's but it won't stand up for a long period of time if commanding lockup on the 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift. If you are racing you want to lockup the 1-2 and 2-3 shift. I trashed a stock GT TC with minor bolt-ons N/A in a 96 TBird.

My first drag racing car was a 1972 Dodge Charger that was running mid-low 12's with N/A 440. Second drag racing car was a 1988 Mustang GT 5spd with a SC'd 383 Stroker, when I sold it, it's best was 9.83 @ 148. Next up was a 92 TBird Sport( SC'd 5.0 ) that went 12.02 @ 122 @ 5000 feet above sea level. Currently, I have a 96 TBird that has run 14.1 @ 95 MPH and a 2005 Mustang GT 5 Spd that has gone 13.57 @ 101. The TBird ran that 14.1 with a Stock GT TC, 3.73 TL, PI cams, PI intake, exhaust and pulleys. That car's race weight with me is around 3800 lbs. That 92 TBird had around 450 RWHP, correcting that time to sea level would have been 10.8 pass. I won't say that the 92 TBird was 10 second street car, it never officially ran a 10 second pass. At the track I go to now, there is no doubt that car would run low 11's. Yes, I have experience with SC'd cars...

 

[TGJ]

I hope to be mid to low 12s with like 360-380 whp.

I guess thats ok with stock stall right?

With the stock TC and practice, you might get to your goal. I don't recognize the SC you are wanting to run. With your NPI car, you will need some other upgrades to run those 12's as well.

 

[hotmustang331]

Fact,

The stock stall is 2337 - 2737. That info I got was directly from Ford. Not you and moronic brother-in-law. You are idiot...

That is proven by having a 430 RWHP car that can only 11.64 in the 1/4. That is from info you posted about your car.

With 430 RWHP and properly tuned on drag radials, you should be in the 10's, not mid 11's...

When you get a ****ing clue. I might listen to something you have to say...

Fact,

96 Mustang GT stock TC is not furnace brazed, 04 Mustang GT stock TC is furnace brazed and will stall slightly higher than the older one.

Fact,

Properly tuning a auto Mustang GT and demanding lockup on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift will trash the stock TC. Chris destroyed his with a 330 RWHP SC'd Mustang GT.

Have a nice day...

Thats bull. Your supposed to be an adult man, STOP WITH THE NAME CALLING PLEASE. This isnt the place for that...calling someone an idiot with A. no proof, and b. on a family friendly tech forum is rediculous.

Remember TGJ, your not the end all of knowledge. Everyone is just as entitled to an opinion as you bro. And so far....ill I have seen is opinion in this thread. What makes yours better than anyone elses?

Just be glad im not a mod here. ...ok so I wouldnt go that far

 

[CobraRed_96_GT]

Put down your crack pipe too...

You do not need to be going up hill to do what I suggested...

so now i smoke crack since we each read different examples as to how to read stall flash? I know what i've read, stop being disrespectful - it gets you no where. You're arguing on the internet like you're on trail for murder, i recommend prioritizing your time and effort.