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I was trying to adjust my tips today but it reads 4.92 volts
I also did a resistance test from black and white wire to pin 1 on the white 10 pin connector and it read over 3 ohm

please help me
could this be the reason it revs so high when I start it up
 

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Yes
Make sure your throttle blade is closed.
How are you checking tps voltage?
 
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should it be closed all the way is has a bit of an opening
connecting to green wire on Tps and ground I tried both a engine ground and ground off tps but it always reads 4.92 volts
 

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Remove the tps from the throttle body.
You use the Dark Green/Lt green wire (TPS signal) and the Black/White wire (TPS ground) to test the TPS.
It should read close to O, at least below .98.
Yes, Throttle blade should be closed. If not it will give you a higher reading ( 4. Is wfo). Don't use the tb or manifold for ground.
 
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it won't read under 4.92 even when I did that
 

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Is the tb adjustment screw backed off all the way? If so try resetting the computer.
 

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Are you sure you have the multimeter on the correct spot? If it's auto ranging it will do this automatically but if not it sounds like you have it one click off. The decimal point should be .492
Just a thought.
 
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but even when I move the tps around the voltage never moves stays 4.92
 

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TPS Troubleshooting and testing

Revised 29-Jun-2018 to add increasing idle speed after engine start.

The TPS signal ground is not the same as the engine block or car body ground. Do not use the engine block or car body as a ground when checking the signal ground wiring or the TPS voltage!!! You will get incorrect readings that will vary with the amount of electrical load on the electrical system.


Setting the TPS: you'll need a good Digital Voltmeter (DVM) to do the job. Set the TPS voltage at .5- 1.1 range. Because of the variables involved with the tolerances of both computer and DVM, I would shoot for somewhere between .6 and 1.0 volts. Unless you have a Fluke or other high grade DVM, the second digit past the decimal point on cheap DVM’s is probably fantasy. There is no advantage to setting it to .99; that is a BOZO Internet myth, complete with red nose and big floppy shoes.

Since the computer zeros out the TPS voltage every time it powers up, playing with the settings isn't an effective aid to performance or drivability. The main purpose of checking the TPS is to make sure it isn't way out of range and causing problems.


Wire colors & functions:
Orange/white = 5 volt VREF from the computer
Dark Green/lt green = TPS output to computer
Black/white = Signal ground from computer

TPS troubleshooting steps:
1.) Use the Orange/white & Black white wires to verify the TPS has the correct 5 volts source from the computer.
2.) Use the Dark Green/lt green & Black/white wires to set the TPS base voltage. Try this... All you need is less than 1.0 volt at idle and more than 4.25 at Wide Open Throttle (WOT). You'll need a voltmeter with a 1 or 3 volt low scale to do the job.

The Orange/White wire is the VREF 5 volts from the computer. You use the Dark Green/Lt green wire (TPS signal) and the Black/White wire (TPS ground) to set the TPS. Use a pair of safety pins to probe the TPS connector from the rear of the connector. You may find it a little difficult to make a good connection, but keep trying. Put the safety pins in the Dark Green/Lt green wire and Black/White wire. Make sure the ignition switch is in the Run position but the engine isn't running. Set the voltmeter on the 2 volt range if it doesn’t auto range.

Here’s a TPS tip I got from NoGo50

When you installed the sensor make sure you place it on the peg right and then tighten it down properly. Loosen the back screw a tiny bit so the sensor can pivot and loosen the front screw enough so you can move it just a little in very small increments. I wouldn’t try to adjust it using marks.

(copied from MustangMax, Glendale AZ)

A.) Always adjust the TPS and Idle with the engine at operating temp. Dive it around for a bit if you can and get it nice and warm.

B.) When you probe the leads of the TPS, do not use an engine ground, put the ground probe into the lead of the TPS. You should be connecting both meter probes to the TPS and not one to the TPS and the other to ground.

C.) Always reset the computer whenever you adjust the TPS or clean/change any sensors. I just pull the battery lead for 10 minutes.

D.) The key is to adjust the TPS voltage and reset the computer whenever the idle screw is changed.

TPS voltage should be less than 1.1 volt at closed throttle and 4.25 volts or more at WOT

The TPS is a variable resistor, must like the volume control knob on a cheap radio. We have all heard them crackle and pop when the volume is adjusted. The TPS sensor has the same problem: wear on the resistor element makes places that create electrical noise. This electrical noise confuses the computer, because it expects to see a smooth increase or decrease as the throttle is opened or closed.

TPS testing: most of the time a failed TPS will set code 23 or 63, but not always. Use either an analog meter or a DVM with an analog bar graph and connect the leads as instructed above. Turn the ignition switch to the Run position, but do not start the engine. Note the voltage with the throttle closed. Slowly open the throttle and watch the voltage increase smoothly, slowly close the throttle and watch the voltage decrease smoothly. If the voltage jumps around and isn’t smooth, the TPS has some worn places in the resistor element. When the throttle is closed, make sure that the voltage is the same as what it was when you started. If it varies more than 10%, the TPS is suspect of being worn in the idle range of its travel.

TPS will not go below 1 volt

Note: Make all resistance checks with the ignition switch in the OFF position. Failure to do so will result in incorrect results and may possibly damage the meter.

Engine mounted sensor circuit: Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the TPS and battery ground. It should be less than 1 ohm. Higher resistance than 1 ohm indicates a problem with the 10 pin connector, computer or the splice inside the main harness where the wire from the 10 pin connectors joins the rest of the black/white wire.




See the graphic for the location of the 10 pin connectors:
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds



See the graphic for the 10 pin connector circuit layout.


Unplug the white 10 pin connector to do some resistance testing. It is good time to clean the connector pins and examine the connector for corrosion, broken wire or other damage. See http://www.themustangstop.com/tech-articles/cleaning-10-pin-connectors-mustang for help in this department.

If the resistance on the TPS Black/White wire and pin 1 of the white engine fuel injector harness 10 pin connector is more than 1.0 ohm, you have bad connection or broken wiring. Repeat the test using the pin 1 of the white body side 10 pin connector and battery ground. You should have less that 1 ohm. More than that is a damaged signal ground inside the computer or bad connections or wiring.[/b]


Idle speed increases after the engine has started and been driven:
When you start the car, the computer reads the TPS output voltage and uses that as a starting baseline or minimum TPS voltage for the TPS sensor.

As the engine warms up, the TPS voltage can slowly creep up past whatever voltage it saw when the engine first started. That causes the idle RPM to increase.

When you shut the ignition off and then restart the engine, the computer reads the voltage and sets whatever voltage it sees as the minimum TPS voltage for the TPS sensor, even if that voltage is more than 1.1 volt.

The first place to look is for a bad TPS signal ground, broken signal ground wire, or bad connection in the TPS wiring. The TPS connector plug and the 10 pin connector are the two most likely culprits.

The other thing to consider is a bad TPS sensor. Again, dumping the computer codes is a must do item on your troubleshooting checklist. See http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-forums/threads/how-to-pull-codes-from-eec4.889006/ or "Surging Idle Checklist
 
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General karthief said:
Is the tb adjustment screw backed off all the way? If so try resetting the computer.
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yes the adjustment screw is all the way off and when I open the throttle all the way is goes up to 5 volts and when I let off it goes down to 4.92
 

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I would go to a pic -n-pull and find one or just try a new one. Unless we're missing something,
 

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Take the TPS off and test voltage with it off.

They way the TPS works is it uses a reference 5V and returns a value to the ECu in the 1-4V range depending on position.

A stuck WOT TPS should return a code 63 if you were to pull codes.

If still reading 5V between the green and black wire on the TPS, replace it.

Acceptable idle voltage is anywhere between 0.5 and 1.25 volts. There is no reason to chase 1V
 

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There is no reason to chase 1V
it's the thrill of 'the chase'!
 
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could it be a bad ground signal ? I don’t what to chase wires in horrible at electric car work
 

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You wouldn't get 5V if it was a bad ground
 

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They are between 20 and 80 bucks on rockauto. At this point I would replace it.
 
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Okay will be getting new one today
 
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So I went out and bought a new TPS and still same thing reads 4.92
And when I start it up it revs over 3k and then comes down
So I opened my computer (a9t) and saw I burt mark on pun 46
 

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You aren't listening to the people you are asking for help! When you start....I'll read more.

Example from above: "take the TPS off and test voltage with it off."
Your response: nothing
 

Wayne Waldrep

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If I test 100 TPS's and they ALL read 4.92V when they should read 1V, first thing I'm going to do I check my checker. Common sense. Especially when you said it doesn't change not matter where you set you meter....impossible.
At least check it! You haven't posted a single picture showing us the TPS with the multimeter probes in each wire so we can check that. I asked you about your multimeter settings and you just blew that one off. A pic of where you have that set would help. This isn't difficult at all.
We just have a serious lack of communication.
 
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